Discussion in 'Allstar Cheerleading' started by Keep_Believing, Mar 10, 2021.
Discuss: 10's across the board
This is precisely why I prefer the IASF/Cheer Canada system. It allows for the differentiation between the top and bottom teams, encourages creativity (by not requiring X amount of skills to get into a range) and allowing teams to put their best routine out there.
I've long hated the Varsity system.
I noticed that the virtual comp scoring trends typically fall into 2 categories.
1. Scoring everyone super low across the board.
2. Scoring everyone super high across the board
There is no in between it seems.
What I'm against with the new scoresheet is not maximizing basket and stunt quantity. As someone said before, I don't want to watch 4+ people just stand around doing nothing.
Stunting thing on the Worlds scoresheet that bothers me:
Teams not using elite type dismounts from stunts because they don't have to.
Reason: If you max out points in your stunt with the entry and body positions/inversions/full around part, you can get away with just a straight pop down dismount.
I feel like you should have to double it down and/or at least have some sort of level appropriate dismount if you're a Worlds team but that's just me.
And parents don't want to pay thousands of dollars for their kid to be #1 nugget all season. My kid was a nugget one entire season and she was bored out of her mind at every practice - you can only stretch and tumble off to the side so much) and there is a feeling of being an outcast when you aren't bonded with a stunt group. I know multiple families who left all star cheer because of this. The industry seems to shoot themselves in the foot over and over again.
Double post. There has been a code of points needed for a long time. It may mean that skills are limited for a couple of years until each skill can have a point code assigned to it, but then as new skills are introduced (like gymnastics), they can be added. Teams send in their skill sheet prior to the competition so a base score is already calculated, it is given to every judge and checked off as the skill is performed and points deducted if not performed. Technique and performance factor can be focused on more. It would eliminate scoring many discrepancies and broaden the gap of scores.
I've wondered this especially for all star kids who are on a team to literally do one specific skillset and aren't in any other sections:
*The one who is exclusively there to tumble.
*The odd flyer out who is in the routine for one basket or pyramid element and nothing else.
There's only so much practice time you are needed for (example) one basket or 2 passes.
It has to get boring.
That is also a lot of $ for 2 passes, one basket, etc.
I feel like this is where crossing over elsewhere is beneficial.
Example: Even if you only tumble on your Worlds team, you can grow as a base on Junior 6. Or if you only fly one basket on your Worlds team, maybe you are skilled enough to fly all elites on Senior 4.
Otherwise, I can see why someone might feel like "Why am I even on (example) Black Ops if all I do is one pass? I quit."
Adding to this, I feel like this doesn't train athletes who want to do college cheerleading. People say coaches look for people who can do more than one position. Just tumbling isn't training to be a base for college cheer.
I find that all stars prepares kids to specialize well in one or 2 areas, which is not necessarily a bad thing in itself. But at the college level, a lot of teams need you to do more than just 100% tumble to make the team. Especially for males/coed teams. The way the scoreesheet is set up, the greatest value = a gentleman who can coed stunt AND tumble.
A lot of times, if you want to gain versatility for college, your only option is paying for privates/classes/clinics or spending a significant amount of time in open gym. Which is fine if you have unlimited money or unlimited time, but many do not.
I dislike when my kid isn’t in parts of the routine. I get that everyone can’t be in everything but yes there should be less nuggeting in general.
@oncecoolcoachnowmom I have seen kids excited to take even one small part, if it is on a popular elite worlds team that has a good winning track record. I have also seen those same kids replaced midseason when a more well-rounded athlete decides they miss cheer and want to return.
ME TOO especially re: what you said about dismounts.
My team has still done full downs and connected jump tumbling even though both skills have recently experienced decreased importance at NHSCC. This is because I strongly feel my girls need both for whatever type of cheer they pursue after HS (if I don’t make them full down in HS then they can’t possibly double down in college, and if I don’t condition them for jump tumbling I don’t think they’ll have the edge they need for AS even though it doesn’t require jump tumbling anymore).
Well-rounded athletes. It should always be in style.
Quick reminder that if you wanna judge a Varsity comp, you need Varsity training. Varsity is also an EP and they created their own scoring system. At the end of the day, the EP can dictate what kind of judging they want for their event. If you know, you know.
I have no idea who else trains judges in the US. If I am not mistaken, USASF still trains legality judges, but I have nooo idea what happens for the others.
Over here, IASF trains legality and Cheer Canada and federations do everything else. They are not EP though. And as solid as that training is... you cannot judge a Varsity event.
Not to mention..
All those “friendly” varsity gym.
Wait your turn to win. Lol
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