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Do you think getting to Worlds by whatever means you arrive at your bid and the experience a team has a Worlds even when there is no chance they will even move out of semis outweighs the financial and emotional cost of attending the event? I'm not talking about getting a first place at-large bid, I'm more talking about a team that earns it's at-large bid because they finished sixth but the five teams in front of them have already earned some form of a bid. Should coaches bring their teams back year after year just for the experience when there is no chance of advancing past the first round, or does the overall experience as an athlete and competitor justify it all?
 
This is always a huge debate. Lots of people get their panties in a wad over what other people do with their money ;)

Clearly, teams keep doing it, so for them it is worth it and justified. It's probably going to keep happening year after year because those are the teams that pay for the paid and partial paid bids and the USASF is not going to stop taking their money.

Personally, if it was me/my kid, i would pay one time for a no-chance-in-hell advancement, simply for the experience. but i wouldn't do it for multiple years.
 
Do you think getting to Worlds by whatever means you arrive at your bid and the experience a team has a Worlds even when there is no chance they will even move out of semis outweighs the financial and emotional cost of attending the event? I'm not talking about getting a first place at-large bid, I'm more talking about a team that earns it's at-large bid because they finished sixth but the five teams in front of them have already earned some form of a bid. Should coaches bring their teams back year after year just for the experience when there is no chance of advancing past the first round, or does the overall experience as an athlete and competitor justify it all?

I think it depends on the team - if you're a young SO5 team that competed in a worlds division to get a bid to go for the experience, then yeah, sure, go. But if you're normally a fairly competitive team and are having a rebuilding year, then is going just for the experience worth it to them? Maybe not.

It's something that each team needs to decide for themselves. But I don't think we should fault those teams who choose to do that if the USASF is going to continue enabling that.
 
I think it depends on the team and the circumstances. In swimming you go to Olympic Trials often knowing there is a snowballs chance in heck you are going to beat Phelps and Lochte for a coveted spot on the team...But you going always knowing there's a chance, having that possibly once in a lifetime performance or just the experience to compete against the best of the best. Seeing just what it's going to take to get out there and train for your next chance 4-years later...

For some teams it's about more than just winning those rings or even making finals and there's nothing wrong with that!
 
It's not for me, but hey if it floats your boat there are plenty of teams that get there this way.
 
Personally if my CP had a chance to go for the first time, we definitely would be opt to attending. However, if year after year I needed to dish out money for it and knowing we won't advance - I would opt out. But that's why we attend a gym that has teams advancing to finals and has a rep for Worlds Caliber routines. GO CHEER FORCE SD :)

FYI: we have some time before we reach that bridge (she's 9) and on Youth 3 ... so 3 1/2 years and a full or double and were there
 
My gym did the expirence with a partial or at large, not really sure. We don't compete anywhere that's not drivable most of the time, so its not as though we have an expensive season. We mainly wanted to go because alot of girls who had been competing with us for years were moving, graduating so for three years they build up the momentum to go and they didn't completely bomb so it was worth it.

Basically if you go in knowing the odds and want to go as a end of the year/getting a feel thing, go for it. People who complain that it takes away from the prestige, if these teams are making it to day 2 they obviously are doing something right.
 
Personally if my CP had a chance to go for the first time, we definitely would be opt to attending. However, if year after year I needed to dish out money for it and knowing we won't advance - I would opt out. But that's why we attend a gym that has teams advancing to finals and has a rep for Worlds Caliber routines. GO CHEER FORCE SD :)

FYI: we have some time before we reach that bridge (she's 9) and on Youth 3 ... so 3 1/2 years and a full or double and were there
I went for the first time at 23 on an international team knowing we wouldn't advance although we did well out of Canada teams (4th/6) and got 23rd overall so it was an amazing experience to see the top level teams.

We did not expect to win a bid and we were the first team from our province to ever win a bid. I estimate it cost us about 1500/person to be able to go and I couldn't see us getting the money together to go year over year.
 
I think it depends on the team - if you're a young SO5 team that competed in a worlds division to get a bid to go for the experience, then yeah, sure, go. But if you're normally a fairly competitive team and are having a rebuilding year, then is going just for the experience worth it to them? Maybe not.

It's something that each team needs to decide for themselves. But I don't think we should fault those teams who choose to do that if the USASF is going to continue enabling that.
I think that's where we were last year. We were an at large bid from Cheersport. They had the 7th highest score of the 70+ teams and were definitely skilled enough to be a contender. But they were inexperienced. So the point of going to worlds on an at large bid had a few reasons...

...first. They had the technical skills and the routine. They could've made it out of the prelims if they hit like we'd seen them do here and there through the season. they were not the janktastic Allstars by any means. They would not always hold it together in the clutch position and what better way to build that ESPN caliber confidence other than throwing them in the deep end of the pool. How else can you teach that? Did they hit, unfortunately not. Which bring us to the...

...second. When we say we wanted the experience I'm not talking about sending a kid who really shouldnt be there out on that mat just to say they were there. Those kids needed worlds experience to understand the level of competition, stress etc. We plan to have a 5 forever, this was our first one and none of our kids had ever really been there, they needed a reality check. That was it. And now having been there once and not star struck, they can settle in and do what they know how to do without being freaked out by the spectacle. That also brings up the....

....third. They needed to see some of these teams we'd never seen before so they could get that reality check and understand what it actually takes to be a true contender, it's not something you can work for in February. It starts the second you come home and 7 days a week there on. They also needed to see WHY you want a paid bid. We wanted them to experience 70 teams so they got the point that next year an at large bid is NOT where you want to be. And that was effective....of the kids on that team that went to worlds....they're not the ones laying out of summer practices. They got the message. They're working hard and they're now delivering that message to the new members of that team that have never been on a five nor been to worlds. They understand where those kids are because they were in their place last year.

So for us, it wasn't about just going because we got a bid, it was about going as an educational experience, a reality check, whatever you want to call it so when we're in position this year they will have more poise to be able to do what they are actually capable of doing....which they were capable of last year too but were just to inexperienced and uneducated to truly get it.

I think that's why I get sideways when people go all apesh*^ over "at large teams that shouldn't be there because they don't stand a chance so they should just stay home!" the goals are different for every gym, in our case it was strategic program building for a very young program. I never, for a second, thought they could beat Smoed....but that wasn't why we were there. We weren't going to beat them this year, but building the program, educating the kids....which you can only do through real experience....means we might contend with them in a couple of years. And that was worth the trip for us.
 
12stepCheermom I agree with all the points you made. Go to Worlds, get a needed reality check, get the experience, and see what you need to do to get back there and be able to get past that first day. I was more referring to the teams who made it on an at-large bid who are falling left and right throwing their fulls. And then go back the next year and do the same.
 
We have been for three years on an at-large bid. This year we were the strongest team out of the three years that have been, but we knew it would be a very long shot to make it to the next day. For some of the kids it was a once in a lifetime experience because they were either graduating or would not have another opportunity to go (we went this year as medium coed, and we normally take small all girl). And all of them loved the experience, regardless of their placement. That being said, some people have left our gym specifically because they want to be at a program that can make it to second day or get there on a full-paid bid. (Not saying that we could not-but it may take awhile) For us, yes going to Worlds is great-but it is not the end all and be all of our cheer experience. (shocker I know) In talking with other parents that have kids in the age range of my younger CP (10-12), they agree they want to go at least once, but not year after year.
 
Just putting my opinion out there. I live in Wellington NewZealand and that's nine hours from where team NZ trains and flights are expensive so I will never get to complete my ultimate dream of competing at worlds so everyone that gets to go is very lucky and if they have the chance to experience it then they should do it from what I hear it is a amazing experience and well worth it and also you need know who's going to win you could get a surprise and a team who has never won could come out of the blue and take home first. Just my opinion tho :)
 
so much can happen at worlds that going even if your going just for experience is good enough. a lot of people dont even get that
 
12stepCheermom I agree with all the points you made. Go to Worlds, get a needed reality check, get the experience, and see what you need to do to get back there and be able to get past that first day. I was more referring to the teams who made it on an at-large bid who are falling left and right throwing their fulls. And then go back the next year and do the same.
In that situation, as far as I'm concerned that responsibility lies on the parents. If you feel your gym attends ANY competition for the right reasons then jump on board. If you feel there is no progression, then that's a parents fault, not the gyms for choosing to attend the WORLD Championships if they choose to do it. I've heard a lot of people complain and say "I'm tired of seeing craptastic all-stars at Worlds". My reply, "then only go to finals". I personally feel that 2012 Worlds was the first time in a long time that being Top 10/Finals felt like a big deal.

To judge a gyms choice on why they attend is for that gym and their families to decide. If you disagree, change gyms and/or don't watch. We still allow teams from all over the World to attend and I'd say the WORST team in an "level 5 World's division" is better than HALF of the International teams. Do I feel that this will be the same way for a long time, NO, BECAUSE these teams get to EXPERIENCE Worlds and either step it up or step out.

I am tired of people judging what other gyms do, if you don't like it, don't cheer there.
 
yojaehs It is most definitely up to the gym (and sometimes their families) whether or not to attend Worlds or really any high-level competition for that matter. However there is a difference imho between outright judging a gym as opposed to questioning their judgement on returning to Worlds after receiving default at-large bids several years in a row and still returning without stepping up their game. Besides this is the Fierce Board. We love to judge.
 
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