All-Star 25/75 Vs 50/50 Scoring Which Do You Prefer?
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That may work for Worlds or Summit but how many parents are going to pay for hotels for a two day competition and only compete one day? I am going to guess not long.
MissCongeniality
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No I'm not saying conspiracy...or fixed ...or pointing fingers. What I am saying is there is still too much room for subjectivity. A raw score needs to be clearly defined and delineated. It is not right now. It is too easily altered due to personal preference. (Whether intentional or unintentional)
MissCongeniality
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Three words: wild card bids
Also didn't NCA used to only advance xyz #? So if you didn't do well day 1...it was the end of the comp for you? Or was that a different competition?
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How is 50/50 being safe? Compared to 25/75? Is this a real question? You are putting most of your eggs in one basket with 25/75 scoreing. There is a lot more weight on that 75% routine and more pressure to hit it. And what does consistency of a team hitting have to do with the score breakdown between days?
........ I don't get what you're saying here.
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hnm part of me would like that however some teams compete back to back weekends - is it worth it form a monitory perspective (does day 1 become a showcase "percey")
MissCongeniality
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Jaded? Fixed? No. You are reading things that aren't there. I'm asking for a clearly set, understandable scoring system with the most minimal subjectivity possible. That is not what cheer has now. Right now that raw score is nebulous and often hard to understand when comparing team a to b to c. It needs to be transparent with set boundaries. Not something that can be ultimately decided based on a subjective opinion.
Pebbles49
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I have to agree with @Miss Congeniality, I always wondered how the raw score derived...I remember in a competition, a team that was 3 points behind my daughter's team on day 1 and had no chance to win, if my daughter's team Hit! My daughter's team lost and surprisingly, the team that was 3 points behind received a raw score 1.5 above the maximum score for the level, we all walked away scratching our heads...
Is it really possible to have a raw score over the maximum for the level?
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50/50.
i dont get why the first day is worth less at 25%. some will say, "because people are nervous the first day and will have a greater chance of performing poorly". well, that would be true for everyone then. everyone would be on an equal field of nervousness and that would make weighing one day more than the other unnecessary. you could make it 90/10 and it wouldnt matter.
a factor that i think of that would give someone the unfair short of the stick, with 25/75, is the "sh!t happens" factor. most teams will have that one bad day that comes out of no where, even if theyve been consistently good prior to that moment. sometimes that day happens at a comp. to have that happen on a day when the weight of the performance is greater at 75% would be a shame.
50/50 just seems like the most fairest system.
is there an official statement justifying the current nca 25/75 system?
i dont get why the first day is worth less at 25%. some will say, "because people are nervous the first day and will have a greater chance of performing poorly". well, that would be true for everyone then. everyone would be on an equal field of nervousness and that would make weighing one day more than the other unnecessary. you could make it 90/10 and it wouldnt matter.
a factor that i think of that would give someone the unfair short of the stick, with 25/75, is the "sh!t happens" factor. most teams will have that one bad day that comes out of no where, even if theyve been consistently good prior to that moment. sometimes that day happens at a comp. to have that happen on a day when the weight of the performance is greater at 75% would be a shame.
50/50 just seems like the most fairest system.
is there an official statement justifying the current nca 25/75 system?
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What I am saying its a lot harder to hit twice. The pressure to hit both days I believe is more on 50/50 comp versus a 25/75 comp. When you have a .50 deduction day one it's really only .125 because of the 25% versus that same mistake costs you .375 off your combined score day 2 at 75%.
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Yes, NCA used to make teams qualify into finals. They also used to be 20/80.
I have no issue with 25/75, or 40/60. I'm actually not really a fan of 50/50. I like that Day 2 feels like finals. I also like knowing I can come back from a mistake, with 50/50 it's harder to do that.
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I would love for comps to only advance the top half or if it's an odd number .. The top half plus 1 to day 2. I think this would make gyms be more competitive. Like who wants their whole program to be done on day 1? Can we bring this back?? That would be so awesome!
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What do think might be the unintended consequences by instituting that policy at all 2 day competitions to our sport? One and possibly done.
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