All-Star Can Anyone Explain This To Me?

[Fierce_Elite]

I didn't want to start a new thread but don't see where it has been talked about yet. I'm just wondering what this all about. To me, its very random and I'm more than confused and would like for others to shed some light.

Petition Started Urging Change to Varsity Scoring System - CHEERdaily.com

I saw this on CEA fanpage and then saw it again on this link that Facebook had up.

Thanks in advanced.

 

[SL&AM]

I think it's kinda self explanatory---coaches are unhappy with the comparative scoring and are urging for a change. My guess is, no one wants to go into World's with comparative scoring.

I can see the issue---frankly, I'm not a fan of comparative scoring and feel like using a rubric would have been a smarter move. It would have taken more time and thought and effort, but would have been better for the sport overall.

And, there is a comparative score thread going on right now that this would fit nicely into.

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

The thing is, it has the potential to work well with like 10 teams (give or take) in a division. But something big like Worlds or NCA with tons more teams? Questionable.

 

[quitthedrama]

The thing is, it has the potential to work well with like 10 teams (give or take) in a division. But something big like Worlds or NCA with tons more teams? Questionable.

Agreed, except most bid comps have more than 10 teams going for a bid, so even if there are 7 teams in each all girl division going for one paid bid, that is 21 teams being compared for that one bid, so it really doesn't work for any bid competition.
There are some other threads with very good discussion on this topic that give a lot of insight.

 

[p.o.k.]

Agree with above. Comparative scoring only works if you can go back and re-score earlier teams. If you are a worlds team among several divisions going after a certain number of bids think how you feel if you are the very first team up of all worlds divisions. This happened to my daughter's team recently and they actually scored in some cases lower then teams demonstrating excellent level 4 skills.

 

[Fierce_Elite]

But isn't the comparative scoring is what makes World's a prestigious competition? Or am I confusing comparative scoring with something else?

 

[p.o.k.]

But isn't the comparative scoring is what makes World's a prestigious competition? Or am I confusing comparative scoring with something else?

They are only comparing in one division and scores still tend to rise over time. The prestige of worlds does not come from the scoring methodology but the teams attending and skills demonstrated.

 

[SL&AM]

But isn't the comparative scoring is what makes World's a prestigious competition? Or am I confusing comparative scoring with something else?

I personally don't think World's has been a prestigious event since the addition of so many 'at-large' bids that go out. It's gotten too big, imo.

However, comparison scoring affects more than just World's; NCA, Cheersport, and frankly any bid competition regardless of whether it's a World's or Summit bid will also see negative affects from comparison scoring.

 

[omgitssydthekid]

I personally don't think World's has been a prestigious event since the addition of so many 'at-large' bids that go out. It's gotten too big, imo.

However, comparison scoring affects more than just World's; NCA, Cheersport, and frankly any bid competition regardless of whether it's a World's or Summit bid will also see negative affects from comparison scoring.

Even if teams aren't going for a bid, comparison scoring messes up high point. I'm not a fan of it because as a coach, I don't know what to fix if everything is subjective.


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[nicolee]

Comparative scoring is a pain in the a$$ and way too subjective. A lot of people believe it has no place in large cheerleading competitions, hence the petition.

But isn't the comparative scoring is what makes World's a prestigious competition? Or am I confusing comparative scoring with something else?

As to the 'prestige' of Worlds, I don't think the scoring system has anything to do with that. It's about the desirability of Worlds rings and the calibre of teams that attend. I'm not personally a massive fan of Worlds for various reasons, but that's another story...