All-Star Creep

[Keep_Believing]

I would not give the monster any attention, just report him.

 

[Sterling von Shimmer]

I would not give the monster any attention, just report him.

I think he just lost his job. So that's cool.

Also he looks to have gone semi-viral:
Sick song riles parents - Kelowna News - Castanet.net

 

[ChicagoCheerDad]

I saw that too, and it's disgusting. Report him to the police or FBI.

I have 2 friends that are law enforcement and do this kind of work protecting kids. If you have any info on this guy, facebook accounts, Facebook groups, instagram, email addresses, address etc. I will get this to him and make sure he puts this guy on the watch list if there is nothing actionable, or get him if there is.

 

[Sterling von Shimmer]

I have 2 friends that are law enforcement and do this kind of work protecting kids. If you have any info on this guy, facebook accounts, Facebook groups, instagram, email addresses, address etc. I will get this to him and make sure he puts this guy on the watch list if there is nothing actionable, or get him if there is.

He's in Canada, so I'm not sure if your friends are located there or have any influence across the border, but either way it doesn't look like anyone can do anything until he ACTUALLY harms someone. Although I'm sure if they subpoena'd his computer right now, they'd find enough illegal crap there to lock him up for awhile.

But it appears word has gotten out about him and he's lost his job, a bunch of friends, and is about to lose his apartment because his landlord heard what he's into. Internet vigilantism at its best.

 

[Nothanks]

I reported it to Facebook, but who knows what they would actually do other than delete his account. He alluded to the parents of the girl finding out. Since he referenced a gym and team specifically, is there any grounds the gym would have on following up with it, out of protection of other athletes, since the guy said he is “into cheer”?

Obviously with him being in Canada it presents jurisdiction problems, but with the climate of sex abuse, I feel like there should be a way to ensure something comes of it.


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[Adrirocks]

These were going around on twitter more of his comments.. this honestly makes me feel sick

 

[Sterling von Shimmer]

These were going around on twitter more of his comments.. this honestly makes me feel sick

I’ve actually been heartened by how many complete strangers to the cheer community have completely torn into this guy. I honestly expected there to be a bit more of, “Well what do the parents expect when they parade their kids around like that they should make their profiles private bla bla bla ...” I haven’t seen ANY of that. Fortunately, most of the world seems to agree that you should be able to post pics of your kids doing what they love without harassment from child predators.

 

[hrodwulf123]

It's been a while since I took a cybercrime class, but I think the FBI could theoretically get involved since the children in question are not (I'm assuming, anyway) Canadian citizens.

The FBI has an office in Ottawa, so contacting them might do the trick.

 

[quitthedrama]

The FBI has an office in Ottawa, so contacting them might do the trick.

I submitted my concern directly to the FBI. Hopefully there is some follow-up between agencies he has been reported to.

I will say that as sick as he is, he is not wrong when he says "These girls are set up as business by their parents and many start training at around age 5 or so". Any parent who runs any type of social media page for their child should look very long and hard at that statement as they are responsible for promoting their kid to this type of individual. No one "normal" really cares what your kid is doing or selling - the only attention you are getting is from this guy and others like him. Is that what you want for your child?

 

[MissCongeniality]

I will say that as sick as he is, he is not wrong when he says "These girls are set up as business by their parents and many start training at around age 5 or so". Any parent who runs any type of social media page for their child should look very long and hard at that statement as they are responsible for promoting their kid to this type of individual. No one "normal" really cares what your kid is doing or selling - the only attention you are getting is from this guy and others like him. Is that what you want for your child?

I can't shimmy this enough. And for every oh so obvious creeper like this guy there are 100s of others on the down low. Just because they are following "other people you know" does not make them safe.

 

[Sterling von Shimmer]

I can't shimmy this enough. And for every oh so obvious creeper like this guy there are 100s of others on the down low. Just because they are following "other people you know" does not make them safe.

Yeah, but by that logic you shouldn’t even let your kids outside lest some pervert with an impulse control problem sees them. You really should be able to post pics of your kids doing what they love without some pasty, bloated jackhole objectifying them. It’s kind of victim-blamey to suggest otherwise... along the lines of, “Well ladies, if you don’t want to be assaulted then don’t go to parties.” He was the one who crossed the line; it was his fault he made the obscene remarks about the girl, NOT the girl’s fault or the fault of her parents. They were just doing what others do every day: posting pics on social media. They shouldn’t be punished for it because their daughter loves cheer.

And unfortunately you’re right about the creeps; they will always be out there. But it’s their responsibility to check their behavior and be decent people, not the responsibility of their victims to alter their lives so as not to “tempt” them. No one should have to live their lives in such a way.

And also, even if parents do set up their kids as a “business,” so what? Does that make them fair game for sickos? Of course not. This guy offered that excuse right around the time he said, “Well she’s clearly gone through puberty so it’s cool guys.” This guy had an unbelievable sense of entitlement and no sense of responsibility. He never once apologized. He just kept going on about how her parents posted the pic of their adolescent daughter in her cheer uniform, so clearly they were all asking for it. That’s what rapists and sociopaths say, and that’s what he is. He was in the wrong here, nobody else.

 

[FloridaFlya]

Yeah, but by that logic you shouldn’t even let your kids outside lest some pervert with an impulse control problem sees them. You really should be able to post pics of your kids doing what they love without some pasty, bloated jackhole objectifying them. It’s kind of victim-blamey to suggest otherwise... along the lines of, “Well ladies, if you don’t want to be assaulted then don’t go to parties.” He was the one who crossed the line; it was his fault he made the obscene remarks about the girl, NOT the girl’s fault or the fault of her parents. They were just doing what others do every day: posting pics on social media. They shouldn’t be punished for it because their daughter loves cheer.

And unfortunately you’re right about the creeps; they will always be out there. But it’s their responsibility to check their behavior and be decent people, not the responsibility of their victims to alter their lives so as not to “tempt” them. No one should have to live their lives in such a way.

And also, even if parents do set up their kids as a “business,” so what? Does that make them fair game for sickos? Of course not. This guy offered that excuse right around the time he said, “Well she’s clearly gone through puberty so it’s cool guys.” This guy had an unbelievable sense of entitlement and no sense of responsibility. He never once apologized. He just kept going on about how her parents posted the pic of their adolescent daughter in her cheer uniform, so clearly they were all asking for it. That’s what rapists and sociopaths say, and that’s what he is. He was in the wrong here, nobody else.

IMO - this isn’t the same as a girl going to a party wearing a skirt.


It’s not victim blaming by saying the parents should take responsibility. Maybe it’s just me but when my daughter is 6 years old I will NOT be posting pictures or videos of her on public social media accounts. It’s no secret there are parents running accounts for their children to become “cheerlebrities”. I’ve seen 7 year olds on my explore page on instgeam promoting hairspray and I don’t even follow cheer accounts on instagram, it’s just from my following/followers and having mutual friends.

Predators will always exist with or without social media and publicity, but putting the accounts on private and heavily monitoring them will allow room for a little more safety.

 

[catlady]

Yeah, but by that logic you shouldn’t even let your kids outside lest some pervert with an impulse control problem sees them. You really should be able to post pics of your kids doing what they love without some pasty, bloated jackhole objectifying them. It’s kind of victim-blamey to suggest otherwise... along the lines of, “Well ladies, if you don’t want to be assaulted then don’t go to parties.” He was the one who crossed the line; it was his fault he made the obscene remarks about the girl, NOT the girl’s fault or the fault of her parents. They were just doing what others do every day: posting pics on social media. They shouldn’t be punished for it because their daughter loves cheer.

And unfortunately you’re right about the creeps; they will always be out there. But it’s their responsibility to check their behavior and be decent people, not the responsibility of their victims to alter their lives so as not to “tempt” them. No one should have to live their lives in such a way.

And also, even if parents do set up their kids as a “business,” so what? Does that make them fair game for sickos? Of course not. This guy offered that excuse right around the time he said, “Well she’s clearly gone through puberty so it’s cool guys.” This guy had an unbelievable sense of entitlement and no sense of responsibility. He never once apologized. He just kept going on about how her parents posted the pic of their adolescent daughter in her cheer uniform, so clearly they were all asking for it. That’s what rapists and sociopaths say, and that’s what he is. He was in the wrong here, nobody else.

IMO - this isn’t the same as a girl going to a party wearing a skirt.

It’s not victim blaming by saying the parents should take responsibility. Maybe it’s just me but when my daughter is 6 years old I will NOT be posting pictures or videos of her on public social media accounts. It’s no secret there are parents running accounts for their children to become “cheerlebrities”. I’ve seen 7 year olds on my explore page on instgeam promoting hairspray and I don’t even follow cheer accounts on instagram, it’s just from my following/followers and having mutual friends.

Predators will always exist with or without social media and publicity, but putting the accounts on private and heavily monitoring them will allow room for a little more safety.

I see truth in both of these statements. We don't want the victim, nor their family receiving any blame for this guys perverse mindset. As a parent of two girls, I told them in an ideal world, they should be able to wear and post whatever they want without fear. Reality says, you have to acknowledge there are perverse and sick people in the world and protect yourself the best you can. With that said, if we are going to use "posting on social media" as a means to protect our kids, then what we post on our parent Facebook probably endangers our kids just as much, if not more. Statistically, family, neighbors, teachers, clergy, coaches, babysitters and their school peers (the people in their everyday life) pose the biggest threat to our kids, not a stranger.

 

[OnceUponACheerleader]

I'm just going to say 20 years ago, there wasn't social media and people had no way of 'sharing' their lives the way they do now. Yes, I believe to an extent, parents need to take responsibility for posting & exploiting, even though that might have not been the original intent.
Social media is great to share with family & friends who might not be close by, but there are privacy settings for these things.
Any "6 year old cheerleader" or "amazing little gymnast" account I personally believe has been made for the wrong reasons - and when things like this creep get made public, serious back peddling needs to be done to protect the minors.
I am not a parent, and maybe if I was, I would have different feelings or a different comment to make, but this is how i feel right now.

 

[quietmom]

I have watched this entire thing from a distance on facebook and twitter. It makes me really, really disgusted that there are people out there like this. As a parent of a 13 year old girl with autism and developmental delays, it is terrifying.

I really am trying to gently chose my words here. Parents need to take some ownership for this. This industry has our kids in very skimpy uniforms on display doing things that quite frankly appeal to monsters like this. Then some push for their kids to be the next biggest cheerlebrity on social media. I really hope that people like this are a cautionary tale. But honestly, there was creepy shoe guy a few years ago and other creeps out there. This one has been hands down the most graphic and disturbing. But remember the super fan dad a year or two ago that got thrown out of NCA? Parents have to be vigilant and responsible here. And by all means, stop pimping your kids out on social media so they can make money by being a brand rep. Cute hair spray, backpacks, shoes, and bows are not worth this.

I know that I am ultra modest and protective and probably the minority here. But when gyms put photos out on social media of 11 year old girls in practice wear (expensive sports bras and swim suit bottoms), and mom and dad are happy their little Suzie is being featured instead of being concerned, there is a problem. The uniforms are getting skimpier and more revealing for even younger girls. Parents are going along with this and paying for it. My 13 year old daughter's swim team uniform is more conservative than some of the uniforms I have seen this past season. The only way that All Star Cheer will stop being an easy viewing grounds for predators like this is for the parents to demand change from the industry and to speak with their wallets.

I am not victim blaming here. I feel sick over this for the girls and their families. This guy is a creep. But change needs to come to this industry yesterday. When my daughter started in 2011 at the age of 6 years old, I would have absolutely allowed her to do all star cheer if she were neurotypical and had no disabilities. I cannot say that in 2018 that I would now. And that is sad. All Star cheer is positive in so many ways, and it is stuff like this that is a hinderance for the industry.