All-Star Difficulty

[_MRB]

I couldn't find a thread that actually talked about this directly or enough (I apologize if anyone has actually touched base on this already)

but here's my question
When it comes in terms of difficulty in a routine, does the number of people doing the set skill make a difference?
IE: Stingray Orange 2015-2016 season, how they have the 3 girls doing jumps to backs straight into hand doubles, how would that affect the score sheet as apposed to another team? IE: Senior Elite 2015-2016 where the one girl does 2 to full whip dub during standing tumbling.
Basically what I'm asking is, how would a judge (or a coach) determine what will boost your score and what not if only a small amount of people can do that/those skill/skills.
Another example could be.... like at the beginning of the season, say Cali Coed & Stingray Steel would have competed against each other, Cali Coed had nine coed full ups I believe? while Steel at the time only had 5, would Cali Coed have scored higher on that part of the routine? Or would they have scored the same because they both have the skill?

 

[Cheer Dad]

In general the more people doing the skill the higher the scoring range can be.

@NJ Coach, @SarahS would be able to give you much better answers. There are others as well but those 2 come to mind off hand.


**please raise your hand if you're related to Jocelyn**

 

[DaniV]

In short - yes, the more people doing the skill (and if sync'd even more points) the higher you will score. So if the only stunting that Cali Coed does is 9 full-ups and and Steel does 5, then Cali would score higher. But there are a million different level 5 skills and quantity does not always beat quality. Steel could've had 5 inversions and 4 high to high ticktocks plus two different level appropriate dismounts but Cali's 9 groups did "easier" level 5 skills and would've scored lower overall even though they had more groups. ***Note, this is all hypothetical. I'm just making numbers and skills up.

The scoresheet is tough. The level 5 score sheet possibly even more so. It's all subjective and comparative to who you are competing against that day. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the World's scoresheet is kind of a free for all and the most and best wins - right? Which is why teams will throw like squad plus 6 baskets when Varsity only asks for squad plus one.

In general, I like to see what is the most difficult skill/stunt we can do as a group and then where can I add in small group or specialty skills. Sticking with level 5 tumbling - if I have almost full squad round-off fulls (easy level 5 tumbling), then I'm going to add those in and supplement the score with as many sync'd up doubles and specialty through to full's as possible. Then on top of that, I'm going to add in a handful of single person passes that are the most difficult passes anyone on my team can do. Sometimes, I run out of counts and can't do all that - I tend to go for easier passes but done in groups over single passes of harder passes.

 

[_MRB]

thanks!,
i guess another question would be... is there a point of adding a certain skill
IE: Se 2015-2016 (2 to full whip dub) since there was only one person doing it, would there have been a major difference in the scoring in they didn't have it day two or something? I've seen teams take out certain (significant) skills and their raw score hasn't changed or it did by like a tenth of a point or something.

 

[DaniV]

There isn't a good way to answer that question lol (shows how complex our scoresheet it). With the "routine composition" and "overall impression" categories, adding in a super impressive single pass can drive those scores and maybe just barely increase the tumbling score. However, it can decrease the technique score and if it's sloppy lower the overall impression. So if it's clean and hits every time and you don't need that person somewhere else - why not add it. It can't hurt.

Another example of this is the stunting that you see in the back of tumbling - that rarely does anything to increase the stunt score however it looks better than having 4 kids stand in the back doing nothing and adds to the overall look and choreography of the routine.

 

[_MRB]

ohhhhh totally makes sense! like the excessive kick twists baskets you'll see in a routine lol. I'm just trying to get a better feel for the score sheet, that's all, I understand a lot of score sheets/judging is different, but i'm pretty sure their are some things that are similar.