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My daughter is 12 and new to allstar cheerleading however she has been dancing since she was two and competitive dancing till finding cheerleading. She is a senior level 3 flyer with beginning level 4 skills in tumbling. She has her layout and wants to attempt a full. We were told by an allstar mom of 6 years that she had to do her layout for a full year before attempting a full is this true? I have also read post on skipping levels is it possible to skip level 4 to be in level 5 open?
 
My daughter is 12 and new to allstar cheerleading however she has been dancing since she was two and competitive dancing till finding cheerleading. She is a senior level 3 flyer with beginning level 4 skills in tumbling. She has her layout and wants to attempt a full. We were told by an allstar mom of 6 years that she had to do her layout for a full year before attempting a full is this true? I have also read post on skipping levels is it possible to skip level 4 to be in level 5 open?
You should definitely speak to your daughter's coach about this rather than listen to another all-star parent; the coach will have the best idea of when she is ready to start working on the next skill set. There is no concrete time for moving onto the next skill and each athlete progresses at his/her own pace.
I almost burst out laughing when I read the "advice" given to you by the other mom, and the first thing that went through my head was to wonder what tumbling level her cp was at and was she giving this "advice" because she didn't want your daughter to surpass hers in tumbling.
It is always possible to skip a level if the skills warrant it and the age level is appropriate however there is a big jump in skills from 3 to 5 not only in tumbling but especially in stunting. Also, since your daughter is ony 12, she is currently too young to compete on an Open 5 as the minimum age is to be 14 by August 31st. For a regular senior 5 team, the minimum age is 12 by August 31st.
 
There is certainly no specific designated time that an athlete must perform a skill before moving on to a different one. As soon as the coach believes that the initial skill is consistent with the correct technique, then they will start building on that skill. That being said, coaches may want to ensure that a skill is consistent, thus waiting a bit to move on to a new skill (perfection before progression is the name of the game), but in no way does that mean it has to be a year. Perhaps she was meaning that your daughter would not be able to compete the skill this year (as she is lv 3 so no layouts), thus having to wait until next season? That is the only thing I can think of unless it is a coach's rule.

As far as level placement, there is much more that goes into it than just tumbling skills. You can be placed on any level, in any order each season per whatever the coach decides(no rules about skipping). Having a full does not always equal lv 5 however. Much of the placement will also depend on the gym you are at. Larger gyms = more competition, which can = higher level standards to make the team. Some gyms might place girls on level 3 with a roundoff back tuck & standing BHS......other gyms may have not placed anyone on their level 3 without a specialty pass to a Roundoff BHS back tuck & triple toe to 3 BHS.

Since allstar cheerleading is a team sport, overall, stunting positions greatly affect who gets placed where. Should they be lacking flyers with lv 5 tumbling, your daughter could get pulled up to fly even without a full (if she is a strong flyer and fits the puzzle of the team). If they have a lot of flyers with the tumbling reqs, then she may not. I would be more concerned with her making sure her standing tumbling is consistent for the higher levels first (standing tuck, BHS tuck & series BHS to layout for lv 4. Jump combos to tuck & BHS series to full for lv 5) as you can hide an athlete in running tumbling much easier than standing tumbling in formations from a coaches perspective. Second, she should be thinking about working her flying skills (open gyms, flight classes, privates) as her abilities as a flyer will differ greatly between levels 3 & 5 (double downs, full ups, kick full/double baskets, etc.), which could be an opportunity or a detriment to getting moved up. Third is where I would care about the full quite frankly.
 
You should definitely speak to your daughter's coach about this rather than listen to another all-star parent; the coach will have the best idea of when she is ready to start working on the next skill set. There is no concrete time for moving onto the next skill and each athlete progresses at his/her own pace.
I almost burst out laughing when I read the "advice" given to you by the other mom, and the first thing that went through my head was to wonder what tumbling level her cp was at and was she giving this "advice" because she didn't want your daughter to surpass hers in tumbling.
It is always possible to skip a level if the skills warrant it and the age level is appropriate however there is a big jump in skills from 3 to 5 not only in tumbling but especially in stunting. Also, since your daughter is ony 12, she is currently too young to compete on an Open 5 as the minimum age is to be 14 by August 31st. For a regular senior 5 team, the minimum age is 12 by August 31st.


Thank you for taking the time to share your advice. My daughter will actually be 13 in March. Her cheer "big sister" is on senior 5 open, this is her goal to cheer with her one day. I will totally talk with her coach before listening to another mom :)
 
There is certainly no specific designated time that an athlete must perform a skill before moving on to a different one. As soon as the coach believes that the initial skill is consistent with the correct technique, then they will start building on that skill. That being said, coaches may want to ensure that a skill is consistent, thus waiting a bit to move on to a new skill (perfection before progression is the name of the game), but in no way does that mean it has to be a year. Perhaps she was meaning that your daughter would not be able to compete the skill this year (as she is lv 3 so no layouts), thus having to wait until next season? That is the only thing I can think of unless it is a coach's rule.

As far as level placement, there is much more that goes into it than just tumbling skills. You can be placed on any level, in any order each season per whatever the coach decides(no rules about skipping). Having a full does not always equal lv 5 however. Much of the placement will also depend on the gym you are at. Larger gyms = more competition, which can = higher level standards to make the team. Some gyms might place girls on level 3 with a roundoff back tuck & standing BHS......other gyms may have not placed anyone on their level 3 without a specialty pass to a Roundoff BHS back tuck & triple toe to 3 BHS.

Since allstar cheerleading is a team sport, overall, stunting positions greatly affect who gets placed where. Should they be lacking flyers with lv 5 tumbling, your daughter could get pulled up to fly even without a full (if she is a strong flyer and fits the puzzle of the team). If they have a lot of flyers with the tumbling reqs, then she may not. I would be more concerned with her making sure her standing tumbling is consistent for the higher levels first (standing tuck, BHS tuck & series BHS to layout for lv 4. Jump combos to tuck & BHS series to full for lv 5) as you can hide an athlete in running tumbling much easier than standing tumbling in formations from a coaches perspective. Second, she should be thinking about working her flying skills (open gyms, flight classes, privates) as her abilities as a flyer will differ greatly between levels 3 & 5 (double downs, full ups, kick full/double baskets, etc.), which could be an opportunity or a detriment to getting moved up. Third is where I would care about the full quite frankly.

Wow, Thank you, so much info in such a small space. I am learning and greatly appreciate your advice. I have more to add to the conversations at the gym now. It also helps to share this info with my daughter, since she takes what her "friends" moms have to say to heart. I realize now there is more for me to learn about the different levels of competitive cheerleading. I am loving this site !
 
@cheerforeverever great point on the standing tumbling. My daughter wants to start finalizing tumbling to go for level 4 next year and it is a great point about the team doing standing formations. I had not thought of it from that perspective. Thanks.
 
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