All-Star Is Cea Over?

[DonePaying4Cheer]

Sexual misconduct in cheer: How a gym competed after being banned

^^^ USA today article.

 

[icequeen]

Sexual misconduct in cheer: How a gym competed after being banned

^^^ USA today article.

I read that article back when Jerry first got convicted and sometime afterwards. There is another article where it states some of the parents still supported the owner. I got curious and went over to look at their social media and the Facebook page is gone and the the website has been wiped clean.

 

[icequeen]

Parents still support Mishelle Robinson's Empire All Stars cheerleading

 

[Weezy]

Parents still support Mishelle Robinson's Empire All Stars cheerleading

Some people are just really stupid.

 

[DonePaying4Cheer]

To show the other side of the coin, my daughter cheered at her gym for 10+ years. I watched boys grow up and become great coaches, I bounced her friends on my knee when they cried, who right before my eyes, became gracious young women. You build a level of trust with the staff as well. I helped out in the gym, not to live vicariously through my daughter (I didn't know anything ab cheer, and didn't care for it ngl. I grew up on ballet and music), but I wanted to participate as much as I could to reassure her that I approved and was proud of her. Plus, my work took me away from home for days at a time, so when I was off, I jumped into my kids activities so as not to waste a second of our time together. I was band mom, serving lemonade in the 90 degree heat to the kids at marching practice, and I did high ponies for girls whose parents couldn't, at cheer comps. I can see how a parent can become desensitized to "tough" instruction. Or a coach picking up or carrying an athlete. I imagine, that if our children suffered harm, we are all, in some way, culpable for their damage. I don't think any parent would deny that. I certainly don't. Maya Angelou said; "you do what you know how to do, and when you know better, you do better." So, I hesitate to point fingers. This movement by the kids has made me replay things that were said; things I may have noticed in passing, but didn't pay attention to because of my comfort level. Did I fall asleep at the wheel? Was I too trusting? Maybe. But, my daughter and I have been discussing it, recently. To hear things from her point of view; things that her teammates told her, things she saw, discussions she had at practice on the mat, has really been an eye opener for me.

The other day she thanked me for keeping such a close eye on her; going everywhere with her, not allowing her to run the halls at the hotel, setting a curfew at competitions to make sure she got her rest. She said it kept her from being drawn up into situations that might have proven tragic. That was a relief, but I still wonder; when were these things happening? Why didn't I know? Did other parents know? Are these things still going on? Also, for the babies I knew for 10 years, what did I miss? They trusted me to discuss things, but were there secrets they were too ashamed to tell me/their parents/authorities?

I'm committed to doing everything I can to help them. My daughter and I have been tossing ideas around. She's pretty clever :) we'll come up with something soon.

 

[CheerVA]

Well... per my daughter. Coach “Bob” was not in class last night.
I can confirm “Bob’s” Facebook is deactivated and his Twitter is on private.
I have not been to the gym today.

Wow. Just wow. But unfortunately not surprising. This is why 24 year old MEN should not be cheering with 15 year olds. I am glad this young man is speaking out. I'm not sure what's more appalling, though, in the whole story--that it happened in the first place, that it wasn't the first time, that MANY on the team seemingly knew about it and not only did nothing but joked about it, that the coaches and/or owners knew about it, that the police weren't involved immediately, and that the parents have not pressed charges. Just so many things wrong here. And I wish that I thought this was an isolated incident, but I'm sure it's not. If this had been one of my daughters, you can be sure that whether they wanted to move forward or not, there would be arrests and lawsuits. There was a coach who worked at the gym we had been at previous to our final gym. My two never liked him and told him that to his face--they're not shy. He gave them the creeps. They were young at the time--maybe 5th grade. He only lasted a year. He then moved on to another gym still in the area. I guess this was sort of his MO--stay a year and move on. Anyway, he wasn't there long before rumors flew. The owners fired him and immediately called the police. I believe he served 3 or 4 years (maybe 5) and was released this past fall.

 

[Sterling von Shimmer]

Wow. This is complete with actual documentation and barely has people responding. Meanwhile, grown adults are all over "the girl from CEA" twitter with their torch and flames - a girl who has named minor children in some pretty awful tweets with zero documentation or credibility (as related to those specific tweets). It's pretty disgusting what some are willing to ignore

Yeah I hopped onto that guy’s channel real quick expecting to see loads of comments. Instead I saw he had like eight. It really does seem that nobody cares because it’s not CEA. I would hope that if everyone really cared about abuse as much as they claim, then this would be enough to turn some attention toward Fame. Instead, like many things involving CEA, it’s turned into a race to see who can crap on the gym more regardless of any reasoning.

This is not to say “Oh poor CEA they’re bullied so much.” I mean they are, but my larger concern is people hiding behind very real issues as an excuse to bully people/teams/gyms. Lots of the anti-CEA anons don’t care about or even understand the accusations they’re promoting; all they care about is crapping on a gym they don’t like. And in the meantime, the victims at Fame — who’ve got documentation backing them — are ignored. It’s transparent, it’s exploitative, and it’s gross.

That’s not to say that CEA is an innocent victim in all this. I think it a clear mistreatment is happening there, at the very least. But it’s also clear that anons don’t care unless it’s happening at CEA.

 

[DonePaying4Cheer]

Yeah I hopped onto that guy’s channel real quick expecting to see loads of comments. Instead I saw he had like eight. It really does seem that nobody cares because it’s not CEA. I would hope that if everyone really cared about abuse as much as they claim, then this would be enough to turn some attention toward Fame. Instead, like many things involving CEA, it’s turned into a race to see who can crap on the gym more regardless of any reasoning.

This is not to say “Oh poor CEA they’re bullied so much.” I mean they are, but my larger concern is people hiding behind very real issues as an excuse to bully people/teams/gyms. Lots of the anti-CEA anons don’t care about or even understand the accusations they’re promoting; all they care about is crapping on a gym they don’t like. And in the meantime, the victims at Fame — who’ve got documentation backing them — are ignored. It’s transparent, it’s exploitative, and it’s gross.

That’s not to say that CEA is an innocent victim in all this. I think it a clear mistreatment is happening there, at the very least. But it’s also clear that anons don’t care unless it’s happening at CEA.

To be fair, you don't hear allegations like this coming out of Ray's, WC or CA very often if at all. CEA is the biggest name w/this problem. I'm sure if it were WC. The focus wld be on them.
Plus Twitter is not the definitive place for these complaints. It's opened Pandoras box for sure. But, I think more will come of it away fr Twitter. The Gen Zers could surprise us.

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

To be fair, you don't hear allegations like this coming out of Ray's, WC or CA very often if at all. CEA is the biggest name w/this problem. I'm sure if it were WC. The focus wld be on them.
Plus Twitter is not the definitive place for these complaints. It's opened Pandoras box for sure. But, I think more will come of it away fr Twitter. The Gen Zers could surprise us.

It's interesting that people say they don't hear of it often from this or that program.

I coached for HS for awhile and have followed all star cheer for the better part of tbe 2010s (been on this board for the last few years as well.)

In that time I have heard allegations of at most, verbal/emotional abuse and at the very least, questionable coaching either on this board or on another social media outlet coming from more than just CEA.

I've seen similar allegations (on here and social media) coming out of people from:

*Cali locations.
*CA
*SOT
*Maryland Twisters
*ICE locations
*Rays
*WE
*Rockstar
*Fame
*more, these are main ones off top of my head that I recall immediately.

Others have been mentioned as well. Some of these have come up multiple times.

There are very few large programs I've NEVER seen anyone come out and label as a toxic environment or raise concerns about coaching. (WC is one, but I am sure if you dig enough online, someone has.)

Of course, there is no way to know who is just a parent with a grudge or not, but to say it's mostly CEA is offbase.

I think CEA is most visible with YT channels and fanpages and such, so folks tend to become "outraged" when they hear it about a program they feel like they "know" from YT and IG.

This isn't meant to defend this behavior at all, but if we are going to be outraged, we can't laser focus on this one program and ignore the fact that cheer has issues.

 

[luv2cheer92]

It's interesting that people say they don't hear of it often from this or that program.

I coached for HS for awhile and have followed all star cheer for the better part of tbe 2010s (been on this board for the last few years as well.)

In that time I have heard allegations of at most, verbal/emotional abuse and at the very least, questionable coaching either on this board or on another social media outlet coming from more than just CEA.

I've seen similar allegations (on here and social media) coming out of people from:

*Cali locations.
*CA
*SOT
*Maryland Twisters
*ICE locations
*Rays
*WE
*Rockstar
*Fame
*more, these are main ones off top of my head that I recall immediately.

Others have been mentioned as well. Some of these have come up multiple times.

There are very few large programs I've NEVER seen anyone come out and label as a toxic environment or raise concerns about coaching. (WC is one, but I am sure if you dig enough online, someone has.)

Of course, there is no way to know who is just a parent with a grudge or not, but to say it's mostly CEA is offbase.

I think CEA is most visible with YT channels and fanpages and such, so folks tend to become "outraged" when they hear it about a program they feel like they "know" from YT and IG.

This isn't meant to defend this behavior at all, but if we are going to be outraged, we can't laser focus on this one program and ignore the fact that cheer has issues.

They didn't say it doesn't happen at those programs, its just not anywhere even close as frequent as others. I think it's that frequency and very long history of high frequency, as well as what you mentioned with them putting themselves out there far more than others, that puts CEA in the spotlight of it more than others.. But in general I completely agree. I don't give any gym a pass when they get called out.

 

[CheerVA]

Honestly, your both right.

just like Bill Cosby. First person to accuse him was called a liar. No one wanted to believe her. Then the second woman then athird finally issue was investigated. In the end he had several women press charges.
Then suddenly several other men were accused.
The me too movement was important.Ever since Jerry everyone has been watching cheer.

every case deserves to be looked into.
I have seen how my gym handles things.
But sadly I think , it will get better for a while. As folks forget, it will start again
Even worse, one person leaves the gym. There are several others waiting.

They didn't say it doesn't happen at those programs, its just not anywhere even close as frequent as others. I think it's that frequency and very long history of high frequency, as well as what you mentioned with them putting themselves out there far more than others, that puts CEA in the spotlight of it more than others.. But in general I completely agree. I don't give any gym a pass when they get called out.

 

[UCFKnights07]

It's interesting that people say they don't hear of it often from this or that program.

I coached for HS for awhile and have followed all star cheer for the better part of tbe 2010s (been on this board for the last few years as well.)

In that time I have heard allegations of at most, verbal/emotional abuse and at the very least, questionable coaching either on this board or on another social media outlet coming from more than just CEA.

I've seen similar allegations (on here and social media) coming out of people from:

*Cali locations.
*CA
*SOT
*Maryland Twisters
*ICE locations
*Rays
*WE
*Rockstar
*Fame
*more, these are main ones off top of my head that I recall immediately.

Others have been mentioned as well. Some of these have come up multiple times.

There are very few large programs I've NEVER seen anyone come out and label as a toxic environment or raise concerns about coaching. (WC is one, but I am sure if you dig enough online, someone has.)

Of course, there is no way to know who is just a parent with a grudge or not, but to say it's mostly CEA is offbase.

I think CEA is most visible with YT channels and fanpages and such, so folks tend to become "outraged" when they hear it about a program they feel like they "know" from YT and IG.

This isn't meant to defend this behavior at all, but if we are going to be outraged, we can't laser focus on this one program and ignore the fact that cheer has issues.

ive been saying this for awhile, CEA gets the most heat because of how out there they put themselves, the college project where they did a doc, the jtv, the MG era. They also have a very vocal coaching staff compared to most imo.
the only other program i could compare to them is Smoed. they too got A LOT of heat during the course of that show. They too also have some very vocal coaching staff when it comes to online presence.
..
Have other programs been in the spotlight, over the years, sure. But nothing compared to constant presence CEA has maintained.

 

[cheermomforever]

Honestly, your both right.

just like Bill Cosby. First person to accuse him was called a liar. No one wanted to believe her. Then the second woman then athird finally issue was investigated. In the end he had several women press charges.
Then suddenly several other men were accused.
The me too movement was important.Ever since Jerry everyone has been watching cheer.

every case deserves to be looked into.
I have seen how my gym handles things.
But sadly I think , it will get better for a while. As folks forget, it will start again
Even worse, one person leaves the gym. There are several others waiting.

If that gymnastics college coach cared to follow up or not push aside stuff said about Nassar then many many of other athletes would not of been subjected to that monster! It is time for adults to believe athletes and get something done!

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

If that gymnastics college coach cared to follow up or not push aside stuff said about Nassar then many many of other athletes would not of been subjected to that monster! It is time for adults to believe athletes and get something done!

He was accused before that! A little girl at the gym he worked at before MSU told another coach and she blew it off. Unreal.

 

[CheerVA]

He was accused before that! A little girl at the gym he worked at before MSU told another coach and she blew it off. Unreal.

Y’all see where the gymnastics coach was arrested? He has ties to nessar