All-Star Usasf Worlds Cup Race

[cheer25mom]

Exactly. They are now guaranteed worlds teams without bids will be spending in extra comps trying to get in 5 of these.


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[AngelsMum24]

But that's ok... your gym can brag "they went to Worlds" (just don't do the $/minute calculation like I did year 1 at Worlds)

I'm sure it was nuts! And only keeps getting worse.

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

I plotted the cities where these comps will be taking and

Not that I was surprised, but I really wished they would have included a few more opprotunities for the Midwest teams to get bids since I am assuming they have less bid comps than atleast the east coast teams. Theyre the ones who have to travel the furthest to get a bid. But that's where the money and teams are so...

Happy though to see non-Varsity comps in there. There's a small glimmer of light.

ETA: Sorry for the potato quality pic. Yikes. Not sure how to fix that since on my phone it looks fine...?

 

[Michael White]

Then are they really good enough to be a contender at World's?

I know in the past, there have been very good teams that have struggled to receive the bids they deserve, and bad teams are going to make it to worlds, with or without this new program.

 

[uhhlyssa01]

I plotted the cities where these comps will be taking and

Not that I was surprised, but I really wished they would have included a few more opprotunities for the Midwest teams to get bids since I am assuming they have less bid comps than atleast the east coast teams. Theyre the ones who have to travel the furthest to get a bid. But that's where the money and teams are so...

Happy though to see non-Varsity comps in there. There's a small glimmer of light.

ETA: Sorry for the potato quality pic. Yikes. Not sure how to fix that since on my phone it looks fine...?

Honestly I don't even think there are any more comps in the Midwest than those already listed that have Worlds bids. I feel like the topic of there being too many teams at Worlds keeps coming up, and we should cut bids to make it more exclusive, but then we keep adding more opportunities. If USASF were to cut say 20 bids from regular season comps, then added this end of season Cup race for bids, I'd be totally on board. I hope this does in fact help deserving teams get to Worlds, I'm just not sure if it will work the way it's intended.

 

[cheer25mom]

The only intent here is more money for Varsity.


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[uhhlyssa01]

The only intent here is more money for Varsity.


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I actually disagree. If anything, I think it would actually help the non-Varsity events. At least half of those brands offering worlds bids are not Varsity owned and the only EP's I've seen promote this so far have been IEP's.

 

[Doctorcheer]

I actually disagree. If anything, I think it would actually help the non-Varsity events. At least half of those brands offering worlds bids are not Varsity owned and the only EP's I've seen promote this so far have been IEP's.

Isn't varsity in charge of USASF or at least has some common board of directors etc. In that case, worlds would benefit varsity in making more money off of worlds

 

[uhhlyssa01]

Isn't varsity in charge of USASF or at least has some common board of directors etc. In that case, worlds would benefit varsity in making more money off of worlds

Ever since USASF paid off it's kickstart loan from Varsity, they have claimed there is no involvement with them. USASF probably uses Varsity's "in" with Disney to get Worlds there, so maybe Varsity makes some money off of that? Probably not enough to make it really worth their time though. I just don't see how anyone could consider this a money maker if they're giving out $50-$75k in paid bids, I highly doubt they're making that up in incoming registrations. It would be really poor use of time and resources to make very little ROI.

 

[Doctorcheer]

Ever since USASF paid off it's kickstart loan from Varsity, they have claimed there is no involvement with them. USASF probably uses Varsity's "in" with Disney to get Worlds there, so maybe Varsity makes some money off of that? Probably not enough to make it really worth their time though. I just don't see how anyone could consider this a money maker if they're giving out $50-$75k in paid bids, I highly doubt they're making that up in incoming registrations. It would be really poor use of time and resources to make very little ROI.

I looked at USASF annual report (which the last one they have up is 2014) and in 2014 worlds made almost 1.5 million AFTER accounting for USASF's expenses for that competition. So yeah I'd say it's a money maker

 

[Doctorcheer]

Additionally, if you look back from 2009 to 2014 each year they make more and more off of worlds. Does anybody have the count of teams at worlds each year? I'm going to guess the more teams the more money

 

[MissCongeniality]

I looked at USASF annual report (which the last one they have up is 2014) and in 2014 worlds made almost 1.5 million AFTER accounting for USASF's expenses for that competition. So yeah I'd say it's a money maker

What does the accounting say for admissions (not athlete but fans/parents)? Not sure how they account for their share versus Disney's on the passes though. Ever do the math on the cash only admissions (not at Worlds but other comps)? It is quite enlightening. I used very conservative numbers one year at NCA and an independent source with knowledge confirmed my estimates.

 

[CheerBank]

What does the accounting say for admissions (not athlete but fans/parents)? Not sure how they account for their share versus Disney's on the passes though. Ever do the math on the cash only admissions (not at Worlds but other comps)? It is quite enlightening. I used very conservative numbers one year at NCA and an independent source with knowledge confirmed my estimates.

Don't even get me started on the cash only admissions.

 

[Doctorcheer]

What does the accounting say for admissions (not athlete but fans/parents)? Not sure how they account for their share versus Disney's on the passes though. Ever do the math on the cash only admissions (not at Worlds but other comps)? It is quite enlightening. I used very conservative numbers one year at NCA and an independent source with knowledge confirmed my estimates.

They lump everything together and just list their profit. It does say this is after accounting for all of USASF's cost.

 

[Ashley]

I plotted the cities where these comps will be taking and

Not that I was surprised, but I really wished they would have included a few more opprotunities for the Midwest teams to get bids since I am assuming they have less bid comps than atleast the east coast teams. Theyre the ones who have to travel the furthest to get a bid. But that's where the money and teams are so...

Happy though to see non-Varsity comps in there. There's a small glimmer of light.

ETA: Sorry for the potato quality pic. Yikes. Not sure how to fix that since on my phone it looks fine...?

I made a visual a few years ago on RTW for a data visualization class I was taking. It was a map like this with a circle at every bid event, the size corresponded to the number of bids. Their list of events is basically the list of bid events. It's not really any different.

On the negative side, I basically don't have a way of tracking this data on Road to Worlds. Bummer.