All-Star Chasing The Ring

[cljacks99]

I'm loving where this thread has gone.. We are entering the, "to do school cheer, or not do school cheer" days at my house. Very interesting perspectives....

 

[12stepCheermom]

I don't think it's to "understand" allstar. I think it's because they're getting all these allstar cheerleaders that can stunt and tumble but you put them out there on game day and they're lost. I think it's reasonable for a college cheer team to expect someone to have done something similar to what they do to prepare them.

Everyone posts on here all the time about how school cheer and allstar are not the same thing - so y'all can't turn around and get mad when colleges say "Allstar cheer and school cheer are not the same thing." Cheering in college usually involves cheering at games. Not many allstar cheerleaders are prepared for that if they've never done school cheer.

That being said I'm sure it depends on the school and what type of cheer they do. Schools with a strong game day presence and that actually *cheer* are obviously more apt to want to see someone with school cheer.

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I'm not mad about anything. Just a general comment. The boy is interested in cheering at college and basically the school he wants to attend the coach (we already touched base with) said...."a guy I don't have to recruit and teach to stunt!? Just have him focus on being accepted, the rest is easy." (That school is not a place known for cheer its a military academy) and the girl doesn't want to cheer in college a) because she's not interested in sideline most assuredly because b) that would mean she'd have to not only attend football and basketball games but also act like she's excited to be there. Cheerleading is about the only sport (outside if attending live baseball games) that she can stand.


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[Just-a-Mom]

Oh... @12stepCheermom only the first sentence was to you. The rest was general you and general y'all. :oops:

I'm not mad about anything. Just a general comment. The boy is interested in cheering at college and basically the school he wants to attend the coach (we already touched base with) said...."a guy I don't have to recruit and teach to stunt!? Just have him focus on being accepted, the rest is easy." (That school is not a place known for cheer its a military academy) and the girl doesn't want to cheer in college a) because she's not interested in sideline most assuredly because b) that would mean she'd have to not only attend football and basketball games but also act like she's excited to be there. Cheerleading is about the only sport (outside if attending live baseball games) that she can stand.


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Didn't say you were mad. That's why I clarified that only my first sentence was to you.

The "mad" part was just a general comment as well - that I see lots of posts making sure everyone knows that school and allstar are sooooo different, so it is hypocritical to expect colleges to not think they're different. BlueCat has a much different experience than I do, and probably a lot more experience, so that's that I guess. I would say military academy is going to be different than say...LSU...as well, so you and I both are comparing our experiences which are out of the "norm" for college cheerleading.

Also, I think we have all agreed that boys are different. Colleges have significantly different expectations of girl cheerleaders because they have a whole lot more to choose from.

 

[12stepCheermom]

Didn't say you were mad. That's why I clarified that only my first sentence was to you.

The "mad" part was just a general comment as well - that I see lots of posts making sure everyone knows that school and allstar are sooooo different, so it is hypocritical to expect colleges to not think they're different. BlueCat has a much different experience than I do, and probably a lot more experience, so that's that I guess. I would say military academy is going to be different than say...LSU...as well, so you and I both are comparing our experiences which are out of the "norm" for college cheerleading.

Also, I think we have all agreed that boys are different. Colleges have significantly different expectations of girl cheerleaders because they have a whole lot more to choose from.

Posted before I saw your clarification. And I didn't take it in a negative way anyway. Still don't.


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[gofriars610]

@12stepCheermom a) because she's not interested in sideline most assuredly because b) that would mean she'd have to not only attend football and basketball games but also act like she's excited to be there.


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I just laughed out loud. My first time ever going to a basketball game was when I was cheering at one in college...it was rough.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

a) because she's not interested in sideline most assuredly because b) that would mean she'd have to not only attend football and basketball games but also act like she's excited to be there. Cheerleading is about the only sport (outside if attending live baseball games) that she can stand.

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Hahahaha yes my older cp was not a fan of sideline. The first time she ever cheered at an actual game, one of the other moms said to her friend "Ugh, Susie! Why are you wearing those nasty shoes when I just bought you new ones? Those are supposed to be for practice!" All 3 of our cp's, in stereo, replied "This IS practice!!!" Guess sideline wasn't a serious "real" thing to any of them... :oops:

 

[blyndreamalum]

I just laughed out loud. My first time ever going to a basketball game was when I was cheering at one in college...it was rough.

My first time cheering at a football game was my freshman year in college. I had only cheered basketball in middle/high school because I chose majorette over football sideline.


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[Cheer Dad]

That's why I like Fierce Board. Because I like seeing what other people have experienced, since I only see a tiny fraction of it. My cp is going to attend a smaller school where cheer is nothing - but their football and basketball teams have started moving up in the world and have made it to a few play-offs, so maybe that will change. :chestbump: They were only interested in her sideline skills (and barely even that - I think they were more interested in her looks, judging from the tryout packet we got :rolleyes: ). It's interesting to hear from someone who actually deals with the bigger schools. I would have guessed they would require school cheer (which is why I made cp do it - she hated it!).

Question - do most people who don't do school cheer and only do allstar have some kind of coaching before college to prepare for sideline/game day cheering? Or do they just figure it out when they get there?

Our last gym does offer a college prep clinic for kids that want to cheer in college but have limited high school or pop-warner experience. Idea is to give them just a little idea of what might be expected at tryouts.

I have also heard of flyers seeking out male partners so they can learn to coed stunt.

 

[Jarod_allan]

Did you not read where I said "if the circumstances were right"? :rolleyes:

I think your wife may be able to deal. She seems like a cool person from what I've seen of her. ;)

 

[xpressjag]

I would say that most of the all star cheerleaders I know or have coached make their collegiate teams alot more than their high school counterparts, usually because of the tumbling, confidence and just overall package of all star cheerleaders. I think if all star teams do more public events, exhibitions and other things they get used to actually cheering in front of people, as well as offering college prep cheer clinics.

 

[OneIntenseMama]

I'm sure this has been discussed many times, but I don't get on the board often. If so, I apologize in advanced.

I want to ask a hypothetical question to parents. Your CP is at a good gym on a Worlds team. Next year (2014/2015) your child seriously wants to jump ship, move many hours away to cheer on a top team that has won worlds in past and continues to be in the running for the ring. If your CP somehow got on that team, would you let him/her go? Leave family, friends, and school their senior year to live with a host family? Everyone dreams of that ring, but how far would you go to let your CP chase it?

My CP was on Cali Coed last year and did the whole commute thing. It wasn't just about chasing a ring but about being on a team that she has always loved. This year it was move from AZ to Cali or find a team in Az. She wasn't sure if she was ready to move so she was going to stay here in AZ. That didn't last to long she's now back on Coed where her heart was. She's almost 17 and it had to be totally up to her. When she asked her Dad who usually says no to everything he said "If this is what is going to make you happy then yes we'll support you in whatever you do" Shocked the heck out of me. But he's right. She living with an amazing family, is being coached by amazing coaches. What more could you ask for.

 

[NEliteSteven]

I skipped a few pages, but if I was coaching college, I'd take an high level allstar kid with no sideline experience, over an average HS kid that could work the sideline better than anyone else. You can teach motions in a day, you can't teach tumbling and advanced stunting that fast.

 

[njallday]

i know this thread has since drifted quite a bit... but i saw this on pinterest today and thought of this thread.

i know i don't have children, but i don't think i could give up any of that precious time to send them across the country. maybe that's selfish and maybe i'd think differently if it was my child's passion... but i don't think so. anyway carry on... :D


eta: and it's gigantic... sorry :oops:

 

[gymcatmomx2]

I skipped a few pages, but if I was coaching college, I'd take an high level allstar kid with no sideline experience, over an average HS kid that could work the sideline better than anyone else. You can teach motions in a day, you can't teach tumbling and advanced stunting that fast.

I completely agree with you but if you have 2 cheerleaders with all-star experience that have the same level of skills, and one has 4+ years of sideline cheering experience, she's most likely going to get the position and do a better job. At my CP's high school there were two level 5 cheerleaders that did not make the team, even though they threw fulls at tryouts. They had never participated in game day cheer before and it showed.

 

[SparkleSpankies]

I skipped a few pages, but if I was coaching college, I'd take an high level allstar kid with no sideline experience, over an average HS kid that could work the sideline better than anyone else. You can teach motions in a day, you can't teach tumbling and advanced stunting that fast.

You can teach motions in a day to someone who is willing to learn and take corrections... sometimes it's not fixable.