All-Star Dangers Of Cheerlebrity

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21 pages of talking about how we should stop talking about cheerleberities :cow:

 

[FierceandFearless]

21 pages of talking about how we should stop talking about cheerleberities :cow:

Agreed.. can this become a cat thread now? ;P

 

[laughAlittle]

However, I do have a question for BlueCat ...

While your gym has signed that "No Cheerleberities" pledge, why are CA athletes host the Varsity "Cheerleberity" event?

Refer to Cheerupdates and CSP on twitter if you dont know what I am talking about.

Twitter / cheerUPDATES: Following Gyms listed as already ...

 

[NoOneSpecial]

Fair enough. And have I no question about your motives, sincerity or commitment. We just disagree on this but if voluntary than there is not a problem

My only motive is to make sure my daughter is enjoying the sport that she loves and is happy. I am my own person and don't push anyone's propaganda or agenda. Just sharing my opinions or thoughts like everyone else.

 

[King]

However, I do have a question for BlueCat ...

While your gym has signed that "No Cheerleberities" pledge, why are CA athletes host the Varsity "Cheerleberity" event?

Refer to Cheerupdates and CSP on twitter if you dont know what I am talking about.

Twitter / cheerUPDATES: Following Gyms listed as already ...

I would imagine prior commitments and contracts have to be finished if they were signed before the pledge.

 

[Cheer_Explosion_Coach]

However, I do have a question for BlueCat ...

While your gym has signed that "No Cheerleberities" pledge, why are CA athletes host the Varsity "Cheerleberity" event?

Refer to Cheerupdates and CSP on twitter if you dont know what I am talking about.

Twitter / cheerUPDATES: Following Gyms listed as already ...

Why do I feel like every issue that comes up becomes a NACCC vs ASGA (CSP) disagreement and we are all just stuck in the middle.

It's kinda silly to see adults tweeting like emotional teenagers. Had to unfollow a few people these last few nights.

So what a few gyms took a pledge. If you don't agree... Don't sign it! Just like the iPromise pledge. No one made you sign that, but I did because I thought it was a good idea.

 

[BlueCat]

I would imagine prior commitments and contracts have to be finished if they were signed before the pledge.

However, I do have a question for BlueCat ...

While your gym has signed that "No Cheerleberities" pledge, why are CA athletes host the Varsity "Cheerleberity" event?

Refer to Cheerupdates and CSP on twitter if you dont know what I am talking about.

Twitter / cheerUPDATES: Following Gyms listed as already ...

People are now using Jamie & Blake's appearance to slam the program. That is a great example of the fact that even when athletes are there as individuals, it still reflects on and affects the other athletes on their team. Thank you for proving the point that, unfortunately, programs need to be selective about what individual athletes are allowed to do while representing a team.

Truthfully, I don't recall if we were asked about this first or not. Either way, we would not expect our athletes to abandon their commitment to an event on a few days' notice. Up to now, we haven't made a point to our athletes to run this stuff by us first. This is the type of thing that, going forward, we would want to review prior to the athletes accepting this type of invitation. My guess is that you won't see to many of our athletes doing this type of thing in the future. However, each situation would be handled on a case by case basis.

NOTE: Saying that we want to improve our stance going forward on the cheerlebrity issue is NOT the same thing as saying we think we have been perfect with our decisions in the past.

 

[kristenthegreat]

People are now using Jamie & Blake's appearance to slam the program. That is a great example of the fact that even when athletes are there as individuals, it still reflects on and affects the other athletes on their team. Thank you for proving the point that, unfortunately, programs need to be selective about what individual athletes are allowed to do while representing a team.

Truthfully, I don't recall if we were asked about this first or not. Either way, we would not expect our athletes to abandon their commitment to an event on a few days' notice. Up to now, we haven't made a point to our athletes to run this stuff by us first. This is the type of thing that, going forward, we would want to review prior to the athletes accepting this type of invitation. My guess is that you won't see to many of our athletes doing this type of thing in the future. However, each situation would be handled on a case by case basis.

NOTE: Saying that we want to improve our stance going forward on the cheerlebrity issue is NOT the same thing as saying we think we have been perfect with our decisions in the past.

Please also consider, that two of the people on that list for this weekend's appearance are also currently involved in a debacle with another person/gym on that list. Call it a perfect storm of unfortunate placement..

 

[BlueCat]

As I stated on the ASGA Facebook page . . . if you don't like or agree with the concepts in the pledge, then don't follow it. Run your business, program, team, family, etc how you see fit. Some people have gotten far too bent out of shape about it (on both sides).

 

[Bystander]

sorry but that tweet asking a question to cheerupdates when you clearly already know the answer... to me shows a mean spirited intent and thus is quite classless.

 

[BlueCat]

Just confirmed that we, in fact, were asked about and did approve the appearance several months ago. Jamie A. and Blake M. asked for and received our blessing. I'm not sure that we would make the same decision now, given recent events. Unfortunate timing, but not Jamie or Blake's fault whatsoever.

Please don't use them as pawns to try to prove a point. They were asked by Varsity to be guest judges/speakers at the event, and all of that was approved by us. If you have a question or issue with them being there, please confront me or one of the other coaches about it.

 

[xtremeteal4life]

I'm gonna repost this in here bc it seems appropriate. It's from the "cheerlebrity free" thread.

​Ummm... Hello, Lebron James anyone?!
I would think that anyone who follows sports besides cheerleading would know this. Every season we're aware of the top draft picks for some of the major team players. I know who FSU's looking at in high school and they're already well known. I remember when Wake Forest was looking at Jeff Teague while he was in high school, or Jodie Meeks from Kentucky. Are people really that ignorant that they don't know this does exist for other sports? Here's an excerpt from Meek's wiki:

"Meeks attended Norcross High School, which he led to its first state basketball championship in 2006 under coach Eddie Martin. During his senior high school season, Meeks averaged 23.6 points per game during the regular season and 28.3 points per game during the state playoffs. Meeks was named the 2006 Atlanta Journal-Constitution Player of the Year . He was also named 2006 Gwinnett Daily Post Player of the Year, 2006 Atlanta Tipoff Club Metro Player of the Year and Player of the Month (February 2006). He was named to the Georgia High School Association (GHSA) All Star Team and led the North Team to its first victory in over three years. He was named the North Squads’ MVP. He was also named to the All Tournament Team at Bob Gibbons, Kingwood, The Main Event (Las Vegas), Chick-Fil-A, and Dell Curry’s Bojangles tournament. Also, he was named to the 2006 Derby Classic All Star game and played with many of his future Kentucky teammates on April 15, 2006 against rival Louisville recruits."

Now you wanna tell me that this kid wasn't well known and/or put on a pedestal in anyway in high school? :rolleyes: Not that he didn't deserve it bc well...he's an amazing bb player. This is not some new phenomena either. I can give you at least 10 very well known kids in this country for every major sport. The difference with the idolization they get from cheerleaders is that their's actually continues and gets worse!! Trust me, we were buddies w/a few of some Wake Forest bb players years ago and when we went to celebrate one of their bday's (he's pro now), it was like they were movie stars.

I was taught (or rather it was expected!!) that we were/are not to bother, ask for autographs, etc. the celebrities that came/come through his stations in any way. I guess in that regard, growing up and meeting famous people, we learned to regard them as just normal people. Are there some I would literally die to see and/or meet? Sure a few. But I understand that at the end of the day, they're just regular people like you and me, and they actually appreciate a more down to earth type of meeting anyway (well most of them..of course there are the obnoxious ones just like in the cheer world). Being famous gets old for many people and I really feel sorry for people who go into a field they love, but don't want the fame, that the public just happens to idolize. There are many athletes, musicians, and actors who go into their respective fields bc they love the craft.

@kristenthegreat Do you seek fame or do you love your craft? I think I already know the answer though... ;)

 

[CheerDadof2]

Why do I feel like every issue that comes up becomes a NACCC vs ASGA (CSP) disagreement and we are all just stuck in the middle.

I do find this interesting as both are organizations (as I understand it) that are supposed to promote the coaches and gyms' ideas and vision for the sport. Seems like a different in philosophy and direction of the people involved with each. Old guard vs. new guard sort of thing.

BlueCat I just wanted to say that it's unfortunate that people are using your athletes appearance in this weekends event as a way to disparage your program. It is a Varsity run event and I'm sure like all other programs involved yours felt it was good exposure.

In my rants on another thread I talked about the hypocrisy of the pledge and the teams who have taken it while having to this point, in my opinion, been feeding the frenzy so to speak. However that was more related to an individuals post about the pledge then the pledge itself.

The part of the pledge that I think works and in my opinion is already in place without anyone having had to take a pledge. That's the part about including your gym in the decisions you're making to promote yourself or your child as an athlete in the sport. Your technically using your gyms brand to build your own and vise versa, from a business and marketing stand point this only makes sense.

My biggest concern with the whole pledge is the mob like mentality that I've already seen happen. You either take the pledge or you're not in the sport for the kids but for your own personal gain. If you don't take the pledge then your program is horrible.That sort of thing.

At the end of the day All Star Cheerleading is a business!!! It's not little league or rec cheer that is run by volunteers. As some coaches have said in other threads, this is their life, how they make money and support their families. Lets all not kid ourselves, while this is a great sport and CP's gain a lot from being involved with it, at the end of the day it is a business. All businesses need to grow, adapt and keep up with the direction their customers are wanting them to go. Otherwise they will dwindle to nothing.

So as StarshipTrooper has said. Go ahead and set limitations on yourselves but don't expect everyone to jump on the train if your not heading in the same direction. That's the beauty of this country, you have the right to your own opinion. Lets not take that right from those that disagree with us.

Edit - One last thing. EP's DEFINITELY need to add more security to cheerleading events. Playing devils advocate, think about all the things that have happened lately at schools and movie theaters. With the amount of children at one event, can you imagine what that would look like. Not just security for Cheerlebrities put for all of us attending. JMO

 

[UCFKnights07]

as far as CSP posting about the cheerlebrity event. im hoping it was either sarcasm or she truly was confused. i dont really know where she stands when it comes to all this, and considering her gym isnt on that list, maybe she doesnt care or she thinks thats for her athletes to decide. i agree with gyms trying to protect their athletes from crazy fans, but im wondering what CSP opinion is on all this.
i mean she dealt with maddie for so many years, and she seemed to have a great outcome after allstars, with the pro athlete contract and etc. maybe its a blessing in disguise, idk. granted i think people (or the other cheerleaders) in general are a little crazy, personally i just cant imagine myself acting that way towards any well known cheerleader, considering how closely i follow the sport.
i do agree that events should have more security in order to separate the fans from the athletes, at least until after awards. but other then that theres only so much you can do. its more on the athletes part to not publicly advertise their entire lives out there for everyone to see, thats why i partially blame twitter, facebook, etc. for contributing to the problem.

 

[ASCheerMan]

Just confirmed that we, in fact, were asked about and did approve the appearance several months ago. Jamie A. and Blake M. asked for and received our blessing. I'm not sure that we would make the same decision now, given recent events. Unfortunate timing, but not Jamie or Blake's fault whatsoever.

Please don't use them as pawns to try to prove a point. They were asked by Varsity to be guest judges/speakers at the event, and all of that was approved by us. If you have a question or issue with them being there, please confront me or one of the other coaches about it.

It seems like everyone is generalizing the issue and blaming everyone else for where we are.

While I really wish the 'Cheerlebrity Free Zone' had a different name (Varsity's Cheerlebrity events are good competitions with a fresh format), I'm not sure how the spirit of what it's trying to do is viewed as a bad thing.

And if you read it closely, the pledge doesn't prohibit athletes making appearances or 'guest judging.' -- it just sets boundaries and allows gym owners the chance to protect their athletes and their brand.

Jody's social media presence is nothing new. He's been on the internets longer than most of us. He's also not responsible for this Cheerlebrity craze anymore than everyone else in social media. I mean look at us: we are on a Cheerleading message board to discuss/speculate/inquire about teams most of us aren't associated with and athletes most of us haven't met. Fierceboard helped create Cheerlebrities. I didn't know who Gaby Butler was until I started following the thread dedicated to her cheer career.

You can't stop the phenomenon, but kudos to anyone doing their part to manage it.