All-Star Got A Phone Call From Disney Regarding Worlds

[CheerBank]

i agree with the whole hating the fact that just because the teams are from another country they moved on to finals... it needs to be the best of the best/ top so many scores that move on because my team who finished 5th in the US with a score of 243 DIDNT move on when every other countrys team(besides canada) had lower scores than us both days // we could have potentially got 3rd on day 3 if our team moved on instead of teams from other countries that had no chance of making it to the top 3 .

Maybe US teams should not be allowed to compete under the IO5 division. It just seems to be a category that US gyms exploit in order to expand the age range of the competitors. I never quite understood why it's even permitted.

 

[new2level5]

So you're disagreeing with the fact that I said that I'm sick of seeing that mentality? That means that you aren't sick of it? Because I know for a fact that it's prevalent. My husband coaches a high school boys sport, and my 4 sons all participate in that sport. We see it there. Hubs and I are both teachers. We see it there. I see it in cheer and in gymnastics (where I coach and judge). This sense of entitlement is sweeping our nation and it's a very real problem.

OK. We are talking about Worlds 2012 and Allstar Cheerleading here, not a HS sport. Ask any of the hundreds of parents that were in the mob locked out of the MH on Sunday. Again, all we wanted a seat, any seat. I don't think you would have been witness to any type of that mentality that you have described. Not on that day.

 

[Nothanks]

Correct me if this has already been discussed, but can Worlds not "sell out?" For instance, there are only so many tickets for the Ohio State vs. Michigan game and after they're all sold, they're gone. Why do they continue to sell tickets when the venue is past capacity? Even though it would suck for people who want to come just to watch, if there was a set number of tickets wouldn't the problem disappear? They could offer a certain number of tickets to gym owners/coaches and parents of worlds athletes first since they are guardians of the athletes. After that, they could go on sale to the public.

This to me just seems like the most fair and common way to handle the situation since it is how it is done in practically every other sporting event or show.

I think one problem with "selling out" is that they sell enough tickets for both jostens AND the milkhouse, but then everyone tries to crowd into one of the two, instead of people being spread out.

 

[5-6-7-8]

So you're disagreeing with the fact that I said that I'm sick of seeing that mentality? That means that you aren't sick of it? Because I know for a fact that it's prevalent. My husband coaches a high school boys sport, and my 4 sons all participate in that sport. We see it there. Hubs and I are both teachers. We see it there. I see it in cheer and in gymnastics (where I coach and judge). This sense of entitlement is sweeping our nation and it's a very real problem.

Ugh, yes! It is everywhere, and I am frightened by it!

If we can't get a new venue immediately, I think there have been some great ideas thrown out here. I love the idea of tickets for divisions.

Without seeing the layout of the arena, could be possible to have an "all day" general admission section that doesn't need to be cleared between divisions, then have a set number of seats / tickets for divisions? These seats would also provide easy access to a staging area for the "parent / fan" section. This way, people could come for a division (or just a team or two if they wanted), and it would be easier to clear out a smaller portion of the arena in between divisions.

I know it would be tougher than it currently is, but all it takes is a little planning and education from the event staff.

 

[MissBee]

What I disagree with is your statement "I have to be up front to see my child"/"I deserve it more" mentality". Not your statement regarding the operation of other major sporting events.

Here's what I originally replied to:
HotmEssJeSS said: ↑

but more often than not people and mainly parents only want to sit in front for the daughter/sons team and dont really care about the other teams..so they have to pay more to basically see one team?​

This is what I was talking about....this poster said that she didn't want to pay more to be up front for just one team. And I was explaining that it's how it works in sports-at the Olympics nad World Championships and at the professional level.

 

[5-6-7-8]

Also I think if we break it down by spectator type, we could try to address each group:

1. Crazy cheer fan - This group wants to camp out all day, not for their seat for a certain division, but because they truly want to watch the entire day.

2. Specific Division Fan - Want to sit and watch the entire specific division(s). Maybe parents fall into this category (to see CPs "competition." Just fans of a particular division, or returning athletes.

3. Specific Team Fan - wants to watch 2-3 specific teams. Parents, siblings, specific team fans.

Ideas to address each:

1. An "All Access" ticket - Assigned or GA tickets that allow a person to go camp out all day. If assigned, can have the benefit of leaving to eat, use restroom without fear of losing seat. (Downside is if people don't actually stay all day, there will be empty seats which makes GA seem more beneficial).

2. Division seats - assigned colored wristbands / tickets for spectators AND athletes (so an athlete in a division can come back and watch the teams in his/her division.) Limit number to avoid over crowding, and priced less than an all day pass.

3. Team staging area - Basically an even cheaper ticket assigned per team that allows one to queue up for a specific team outside, lead in for that team in the "front" section, and lead back out. No benefit of staying for other teams other than the one you paid for. Not sure how to mesh the parent who wants to watch the whole division then come down front for their kid's performance. They shouldn't have to buy 2 tickets, but not sure how to limit the "team" seating.

Sure it creates complexity, but with planning and knowledgeable staff, it could be pulled off.

But I think the overriding bottom line is no matter what solution occurs, it will mean limiting tickets, and so far USASF seems OK with selling as many tickets as possible even if there is no more physical room.

 

[CheerBank]

So you're disagreeing with the fact that I said that I'm sick of seeing that mentality? That means that you aren't sick of it? Because I know for a fact that it's prevalent. My husband coaches a high school boys sport, and my 4 sons all participate in that sport. We see it there. Hubs and I are both teachers. We see it there. I see it in cheer and in gymnastics (where I coach and judge). This sense of entitlement is sweeping our nation and it's a very real problem.

I think though when teams are competing the parents of those athletes have every right to want and to expect to have closer viewing priviledges than others watching. I don't feel that's an unreasonable expectation.

 

[quitthedrama]

Maybe US teams should not be allowed to compete under the IO5 division. It just seems to be a category that US gyms exploit in order to expand the age range of the competitors. I never quite understood why it's even permitted.

Why would allowing a 18+ year old who has had a passion for cheering his or her entire life to attend Worlds be considered exploiting??? Some of the most incredible teams at Worlds came from the IO5 division. Some athletes who may live in parts of the country that don't offer a Worlds team can move near a gym that has an international team and it may be the only time they get to experience Worlds. Why should they not get the opportunity to do that?

 

[CheerBank]

Why would allowing a 18+ year old who has had a passion for cheering his or her entire life to attend Worlds be considered exploiting??? Some of the most incredible teams at Worlds came from the IO5 division. Some athletes who may live in parts of the country that don't offer a Worlds team can move near a gym that has an international team and it may be the only time they get to experience Worlds. Why should they not get the opportunity to do that?

 

[SarahS]

Also I think if we break it down by spectator type, we could try to address each group:

1. Crazy cheer fan - This group wants to camp out all day, not for their seat for a certain division, but because they truly want to watch the entire day.

2. Specific Division Fan - Want to sit and watch the entire specific division(s). Maybe parents fall into this category (to see CPs "competition." Just fans of a particular division, or returning athletes.

3. Specific Team Fan - wants to watch 2-3 specific teams. Parents, siblings, specific team fans.

Ideas to address each:

1. An "All Access" ticket - Assigned or GA tickets that allow a person to go camp out all day. If assigned, can have the benefit of leaving to eat, use restroom without fear of losing seat. (Downside is if people don't actually stay all day, there will be empty seats which makes GA seem more beneficial).

2. Division seats - assigned colored wristbands / tickets for spectators AND athletes (so an athlete in a division can come back and watch the teams in his/her division.) Limit number to avoid over crowding, and priced less than an all day pass.

3. Team staging area - Basically an even cheaper ticket assigned per team that allows one to queue up for a specific team outside, lead in for that team in the "front" section, and lead back out. No benefit of staying for other teams other than the one you paid for. Not sure how to mesh the parent who wants to watch the whole division then come down front for their kid's performance. They shouldn't have to buy 2 tickets, but not sure how to limit the "team" seating.

Sure it creates complexity, but with planning and knowledgeable staff, it could be pulled off.

But I think the overriding bottom line is no matter what solution occurs, it will mean limiting tickets, and so far USASF seems OK with selling as many tickets as possible even if there is no more physical room.

Which category do the athletes fall under? As it stands now, athletes don't need tickets to watch, correct? How should the USASF count athletes in the mix when determining if a venue/division is "sold out"? If the USASF sells the exact number of tickets for seats for each day/division, wouldn't there still be an overcrowding problem, because athletes are kind of an unknown quantity at this time?

 

[socratesofcheer]

Food for thought. After a little basic math, there were just over 8,500 CHEER competitors. The milk house has 5000 seats.

Obviously, not every single competitor will converge on the milk house at the same time, but, that 8,500 does not include; Coaches, Parents, Friends, Judges, Disney Staff, USASF Staff, concession workers, etc.

 

[SarahS]

Food for thought. After a little basic math, there were just over 8,500 CHEER competitors. The milk house has 5000 seats.

Obviously, not every single competitor will converge on the milk house at the same time, but, that 8,500 does not include; Coaches, Parents, Friends, Judges, Disney Staff, USASF Staff, concession workers, etc.

That's what I was trying to highlight - where do we put the athletes? How do we account for them?

(I have a feeling this is going to be an unpopular solution.... but here goes) What if athletes were given passes to watch the competition at the baseball stadium on a live feed? That would (possibly) make the baseball stadium more attractive for fans - they'd be able to watch the live feed in a fun crowd and have a chance to meet their favorite athletes, too (maybe have a special "meet and greet" area? Other fun events set up on other areas of the field?) If athletes want to watch the competition inside the venue, they'd have to purchase a ticket like anyone else (and then, also, USASF would be able to sell the exact number of tickets for seats in each venue, and they wouldn't have to worry about overcrowding.) Again, this isn't a perfect solution, but, in the absence of a larger venue, this might work to alleviate overcrowding problems.

 

[kristenthegreat]

That's what I was trying to highlight - where do we put the athletes? How do we account for them?

(I have a feeling this is going to be an unpopular solution.... but here goes) What if athletes were given passes to watch the competition at the baseball stadium on a live feed? That would (possibly) make the baseball stadium more attractive for fans - they'd be able to watch the live feed in a fun crowd and have a chance to meet their favorite athletes, too (maybe have a special "meet and greet" area? Other fun events set up on other areas of the field?) If athletes want to watch the competition inside the venue, they'd have to purchase a ticket like anyone else (and then, also, USASF would be able to sell the exact number of tickets for seats in each venue, and they wouldn't have to worry about overcrowding.) Again, this isn't a perfect solution, but, in the absence of a larger venue, this might work to alleviate overcrowding problems.

The one problem you might run into is kids from other teams wanting to watch their gym's team (SE/CE/Sharks/IOC5 etc for CEA, SS, Ody, Suns for WC, Cheetahs/Panthers/Wildcats/Fiercekatz for CA, etc) up front. It would be a shame to deny them that access. Even the Olympics gets them the chance to be up close to watch.

 

[CheerBank]

Why would allowing a 18+ year old who has had a passion for cheering his or her entire life to attend Worlds be considered exploiting??? Some of the most incredible teams at Worlds came from the IO5 division. Some athletes who may live in parts of the country that don't offer a Worlds team can move near a gym that has an international team and it may be the only time they get to experience Worlds. Why should they not get the opportunity to do that?

Maybe then they should be under different division to include the expanded age range, and that division is not competing againt teams from other countries who advance to the second day with inferior skills simply because they are in fact an "International Team". Have a Super Senior division which reaches in age to the same level as International (26?) to allow those 18+ athletes compete. The complaint in the thread was about how many US IO5 teams did not move on yet teams from other countries did.

 

[SarahS]

The one problem you might run into is kids from other teams wanting to watch their gym's team (SE/CE/Sharks/IOC5 etc for CEA, SS, Ody, Suns for WC, Cheetahs/Panthers/Wildcats/Fiercekatz for CA, etc) up front. It would be a shame to deny them that access. Even the Olympics gets them the chance to be up close to watch.

I completely understand this sentiment. How do you solve the problem of how to account for athletes when determining the number of tickets to be sold for each venue/division?