All-Star New Varsity Scoring...

[DJ]

Actually, I think it really gives teams more flexibility to build routines in different ways than the standard formula.

Agreed. I just hope teams that are above and beyond the 75% can be rewarded in overall section of scoresheet.

 

[kristenthegreat]

The score difference in difficulty between having 75% of your team do a skill and 100% of the team doing a skills was already pretty minimal anyway. This isn't as huge a change as people are making it out to be.

SHOULD it be a huge difference in your opinion? I'm just curious. I would like it to be at least a noticeable difference to some extent, because I feel a super well-rounded team should score better than a team that is just making the grade. Even if bad coaches didn't know this before, they VERY much know it now, and in my mind would only make it so coaches/Suzie's mom push harder for those higher levels because 'They only need 75% to max out.' Thereby pushing unsafe skills into a routine. Maybe I'm a Debbie Downer, but I feel like if those scenarios aren't considered, you run the risk of doing some SERIOUS unintended damage.

 

[Ashley]

SHOULD it be a huge difference in your opinion? I'm just curious. I would like it to be at least a noticeable difference to some extent, because I feel a super well-rounded team should score better than a team that is just making the grade. Even if bad coaches didn't know this before, they VERY much know it now, and in my mind would only make it so coaches/Suzie's mom push harder for those higher levels because 'They only need 75% to max out.' Thereby pushing unsafe skills into a routine. Maybe I'm a Debbie Downer, but I feel like if those scenarios aren't considered, you run the risk of doing some SERIOUS unintended damage.

I would think it would have the opposite effect. You can only have 25% of your team not tumbling, so you have to reserve those spots for kids who excel in other areas. Suzie's mom might push to get her kid in one of those spots, but if a coach listens to her, then that's an idiot coach.

I don't see how this would push unsafe skills? Or do you mean a team pushing unsafe skills to make 75% when they might not have before because they weren't close to 100% before? I don't really see that happening though.

 

[kristenthegreat]

I would think it would have the opposite effect. You can only have 25% of your team not tumbling, so you have to reserve those spots for kids who excel in other areas. Suzie's mom might push to get her kid in one of those spots, but if a coach listens to her, then that's an idiot coach.

I don't see how this would push unsafe skills? Or do you mean a team pushing unsafe skills to make 75% when they might not have before because they weren't close to 100% before? I don't really see that happening though.

I mean a coach saying 'Oh look. We only need 75% to max out on tumbling, so let's be level X instead of level Y. We can TOTALLY push those skills in time!' aka let's go level 5 because we only need 75% fulls to max out. And you KNOW that 'bad gym' doesn't care how they get them or what they look like..

 

[SheCheers]

I do think Suzy's mom is gonna have a field day with this. Suzy doesn't even need her BHS to be on level 4 now, especially if she has her tick tock! LOL.

 

[BlueCat]

SHOULD it be a huge difference in your opinion? I'm just curious. I would like it to be at least a noticeable difference to some extent, because I feel a super well-rounded team should score better than a team that is just making the grade. Even if bad coaches didn't know this before, they VERY much know it now, and in my mind would only make it so coaches/Suzie's mom push harder for those higher levels because 'They only need 75% to max out.' Thereby pushing unsafe skills into a routine. Maybe I'm a Debbie Downer, but I feel like if those scenarios aren't considered, you run the risk of doing some SERIOUS unintended damage.

They currently have the same mindset for pushing to 100% skills. You can never fully know the impact that a new policy will have, but I can't see how this would increase the push for more tumbling overall. I see the opposite a little bit. If there are 2-3 athletes on the team who are the only ones who don't have a particular skill, there would be a bit less pressure for them to get that.

Also, for the Worlds teams - this does not affect scoring at Worlds.

 

[NEliteSteven]

I mean a coach saying 'Oh look. We only need 75% to max out on tumbling, so let's be level X instead of level Y. We can TOTALLY push those skills in time!' aka let's go level 5 because we only need 75% fulls to max out. And you KNOW that 'bad gym' doesn't care how they get them or what they look like..

It's that extra push for us to be able to go Restricted 5 next year, hopefully. But I totally get what you're saying.

 

[Ashley]

I mean a coach saying 'Oh look. We only need 75% to max out on tumbling, so let's be level X instead of level Y. We can TOTALLY push those skills in time!' aka let's go level 5 because we only need 75% fulls to max out. And you KNOW that 'bad gym' doesn't care how they get them or what they look like..

I feel like those are already the teams that are like "We need to keep our 5 fulls! We'll go level 5 just so they can compete on a level 5 team!" The gyms that would do that would do it regardless of the number needed to max out.

Realistically, there aren't too many gyms that would keep a team with 75% tumbling down a level anyway. The big gyms might of course, but the big gyms could also find spots on a higher level team for those kids anyway.

 

[kristenthegreat]

They currently have the same mindset for pushing to 100% skills. You can never fully know the impact that a new policy will have, but I can't see how this would increase the push for more tumbling overall. I see the opposite a little bit. If there are 2-3 athletes on the team who are the only ones who don't have a particular skill, there would be a bit less pressure for them to get that.

Also, for the Worlds teams - this does not affect scoring at Worlds.

True- but who's to say about the other non-worlds competitions :rolleyes:. Truthfully- I HOPE you're right. Really. As much as I'm not happy about this rule (Although ASCheerMan 's explanation makes a bit more sense), I hope the reasoning put forth about this makes things SAFER, not necessarily anti-dog-eat-dog.

 

[xpressjag]

I actually LOVE this. Those teams with tremendous tumbling will still be rewarded, but it gives opportunities for those athletes to be on teams who don't have level appropriate tumbling. Also sets the tone in cheerleading, that its not gymnastics which all star cheer has sometimes turned into. I love advanced and team tumbling, but cheerleading is about all the skill sets.

 

[NCMom]

I have mixed feelings about this. I can see the point of view that says we have a full team of Level X tumbling and one cheerleader with a mental block so this keeps his/her space on the squad while helping them work through it and at the same time not hurting the entire teams tumbling score and not holding the cheerleader back based on other skills. Its hard when you have someone who can stunt level 3, has jumps good enough for level 3 but has a mental block and cant/wont even do a bh. But I also feel that this is competition. I mean, if you have a team who has full tumble why shouldnt they get more recognition for executing it as good as the team who doesnt have full team tumble. My daughter is dealing with a mental block but is also from a small gym, well small enough that we dont have dozens of options to make up each of our teams like some bigger gyms. So I can see this from all angles. I guess like everything else we will just have to sit back and see how it all plays out.

 

[tucknduck]

In my estimation, Suzy's crazy cheer mom is jumping for joy today with the new entitlement rules to reward mediocrity.

 

[Ashley]

In my estimation, Suzy's crazy cheer mom is jumping for joy today with the new entitlement rules to reward mediocrity.

Let's not blow things out of proportion. How many teams actually had 100% tumbling anyway?

 

[thecheernerd]

I actually don't mind this rule for lower level teams. It's not often a Tiny or Mini team can max out on tumbling,now at least they will be rewarded if they can get 75% there. BTW I am talking about TRUE level 1 teams...not Minis that should be a level 2 or have a bizillion cross overs!

As for the higher level teams, yuck! I am not a fan of UCA anyway..and this does not encourage athletes to push for skills "good enough is good enough"...NOT!

 

[thesneakyANDcount]

Most teams don't have 100% to begin with.... But good coaches and choreography makes it look like they do.... I don't think this rule will affect things that much. Maybe teams with lesser choreography skills will place a little higher by default but the teams at the top will remain the same