All-Star One Team Size - 24 People

[luv2cheer92]

Note quite related, but in IOC6 (and probably IOC5 too, I haven't looked) - the definition of "majority" for stunt groups at worlds is number of athletes divided by 3. So we have to put up 8 stunts with only 24 people on the mat (granted, we're allowed 15 guys, almost twice as many as medium coed).

I was curious so I looked and it is 3 for IOC5, too. I find that weird since 8 is the max number of stunts they can put up period, since a spotter is required for extended stunts and most dismounts. They're also only allowed to have 12 guys so that means more girls are basing. Interesting that max=majority in that division which isn't the case in other divisions.

 

[Ashley]

I was curious so I looked and it is 3 for IOC5, too. I find that weird since 8 is the max number of stunts they can put up period, since a spotter is required for extended stunts and most dismounts. They're also only allowed to have 12 guys so that means more girls are basing. Interesting that max=majority in that division which isn't the case in other divisions.

That's interesting. In level 6, you only need a spotter for extended one-arm stunts that aren't libs or awesomes (I refuse to say cupie).

It's interesting though, you can have 15 guys on coed 6 (maybe IOC5 as well), which means 9 girls. That means you have room to put ONE girl on your team who can't fly, unless you cut back on guys, but you really can't cut back too much if you need to put up 8 stunts.

 

[uhhlyssa01]

No I mean 24 between age different teams. For example, CP's old gym has a mini team of 7 and a senior team of like 10. I don't see how capping at 24 would help them.

I'm sure they go to competitions now where their division sometimes isn't split into large and small, in which case they could be competing against teams up to 30-32 (I can't remember what the cap is). With King's proposal, the teams they would be competing against would have no more than 24. I said in an earlier post that these teams of 5, 6, or 10 competing in the "Small" division already have to compete against teams with up to 20 athletes even after the split, at that point what's another 4?

 

[luv2cheer92]

That's interesting. In level 6, you only need a spotter for extended one-arm stunts that aren't libs or awesomes (I refuse to say cupie).

It's interesting though, you can have 15 guys on coed 6 (maybe IOC5 as well), which means 9 girls. That means you have room to put ONE girl on your team who can't fly, unless you cut back on guys, but you really can't cut back too much if you need to put up 8 stunts.

IOC5 is up to 12 guys.

 

[Ashley]

IOC5 is up to 12 guys.

Ah yes, the level 6 Bangkok rule.

Ultimately I think they're just really pushing single-based coed stunting in those divisions. So you probably need to do a quantity section with 8, but for the elite section you probably can get away with less. I think that's what we're doing.

 

[kristenthegreat]

Even if I wasn't totally on with 24 (which I'm slowly growing to love), I would definitely be down with cutting down the number on large teams to be in line with the younger divisions. 20, 26, 32. Small, medium, large. Yeah, you'd have a couple extras on medium (unless you extremely prefer 28), but I like that you'd have some extras for built-in alternates.

 

[DancerDude0118]

I was curious so I looked and it is 3 for IOC5, too. I find that weird since 8 is the max number of stunts they can put up period, since a spotter is required for extended stunts and most dismounts. They're also only allowed to have 12 guys so that means more girls are basing. Interesting that max=majority in that division which isn't the case in other divisions.

So by that definition: Except for SA Electric, no U.S.-based IOC5 team this season has fulfilled the "majority" then (going by main elite stunts not coed stunts)? That's bizarre......

One of the reasons why I like the IOC 5 division is because they need strong female bases to max (or apparently to fulfill the majority as well?) out their stunt groups, so you don't have to be a flyer to make an IOC 5 team as a female member. There's just something about strong female bases that present a "wow" factor for me like so:

That's interesting. In level 6, you only need a spotter for extended one-arm stunts that aren't libs or awesomes (I refuse to say cupie).

It's interesting though, you can have 15 guys on coed 6 (maybe IOC5 as well), which means 9 girls. That means you have room to put ONE girl on your team who can't fly, unless you cut back on guys, but you really can't cut back too much if you need to put up 8 stunts.

This brings back memories of the unlimited coed division when female members only made 1/3 of the top contending teams because they all had to be flyers and all the bases were males.

ETA: Or rather, it was the most desired male:female ratio by coaches to make stunting more effortless.

 

[Ashley]

So by that definition: Except for SA Electric, no U.S.-based IOC5 team this season has fulfilled the "majority" then (going by main elite stunts not coed stunts)? That's bizarre......

One of the reasons why I like the IOC 5 division is because they need strong female bases to max (or apparently to fulfill the majority as well?) out their stunt groups, so you don't have to be a flyer to make an IOC 5 team as a female member. There's just something about strong female bases that present a "wow" factor for me like so:



This brings back memories of the unlimited coed division when females only made 1/3 of the top contending teams because they had to be flyers and all the bases were males.

It seems to be a rule specific to worlds. Most coed 6 teams at NCA did 7 stunts I believe. I think PCM did 8.

But like I said, I'm not sure you have to do your elite stunt with 8 groups. You can probably get away with just doing a quantity stunt of 8.

It's too bad there's no room for girls who are based/primarily tumblers.

 

[quitthedrama]

I'm not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, I like the consistency. On the other, I feel like we already have splits between the same division and can't get comparative scoring correct with more than 10 teams (8 in my personal opinion), so if the rules and scoresheets stay the same I feel like we will have 8 splits across a division at any given competition and 50 teams with paid bids per division at Worlds. I can't see comparative judging being fair in this example.
Somewhat OT, but I really wish teams weren't rewarded for having 1 or 2 athletes shy of a maximum in a division - will this still be the case in the 24 athlete team size scenario. For example, a small senior team with 19 only has to put up 4 stunts. I have a hard time believing they couldn't find one more person to fill the team but yet they get the same quantity score as a team of 20 putting up 5 stunts. Teams should be rewarded for having the maximum members and stunt groups. The difference of 1 or 2 athletes shouldn't equate to a full stunt group if that makes any sense.

 

[russmin]

Loooove this idea I just don't think the present scoring system is equipped to judge the high quality of teams.
I'm also think for level 5 world teams some gyms now have 6 teams across divisions and having to condense that to 2 (assuming they don't having multiple teams per division) where do the extra kids go? Or would this in turn force gyms to be more selective moving kids out of r5 to worlds teams.

But something needs to be done about the amount of divisions. It's too much


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[King]

There are too many divisions but not too many levels. The level progressions make a lot of sense. One set standard amount of people would be great. With large small and all girl for Open teams I think you are seeing the future of what all divisions will look like.


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[dawgshow]

I'm sure they go to competitions now where their division sometimes isn't split into large and small, in which case they could be competing against teams up to 30-32 (I can't remember what the cap is). With King's proposal, the teams they would be competing against would have no more than 24. I said in an earlier post that these teams of 5, 6, or 10 competing in the "Small" division already have to compete against teams with up to 20 athletes even after the split, at that point what's another 4?

But what's the benefit?

 

[King]

But what's the benefit?

More teams to compete against locally.