All-Star Only Seniors Can Expose Midriff???

[Mom2Cheergirls]

Again fair enough....
But again, who is it this policy is aimed at "winning" over?

Ah, being the mom of a crossover, I guess I wish it were consistent, so I don't end up with two shells every season. I"m feeling disenfranchised, (just kidding). so what is the price difference between a crop top and full top in the same?

And thanks for answering the questions here, I feel like this process has been somewhat enlightening :)

There are many gyms where crossovers still have to buy a different top for the older age bracket/level both crop top and full top gyms I have seen the "elite" team of the gym have a different top than the other teams.

 

[kristenthegreat]

I'll give you a hint:
Anytime you read a comment on an article about cheer and they talk about the 'skimpy uniforms'- they aren't talking about full tops and well-fitting skirts. Not that we should HAVE to win them over (as it's a losing battle), but even those who aren't as vocal about it probably think about it in the back of their minds.

 

[cupieqt]

We could always wear these

Jk jk. Just thought it was hilarious that he wore a "spiritard". :)

 

[Coach Troy]

I'll give you a hint:
Anytime you read a comment on an article about cheer and they talk about the 'skimpy uniforms'- they aren't talking about full tops and well-fitting skirts. Not that we should HAVE to win them over (as it's a losing battle), but even those who aren't as vocal about it probably think about it in the back of their minds.

It is a loosing battle to try to be all things to all people...and that shouldnt be our aim anyway. Like I said previously....
There are dads that don't let there kids do gymnastics because of the leo, there are mom's that don't let thier boys do football because it's dangerous, there are parents that choose no sports because they are not athletic. This is the wrong way to build an industry like ours. We must understand that just like in any buisness we won't apeal to everyone and to have a model of "be all things to all people" is a recipe for desaster. It is far better to have a diverse population which will attract by its very nature MORE CUSTOMERS!!!!

No one likes those articles and no one likes bad press...but wouldnt our interst be served better by combating those stories with good stories...? I think the USASF would use thier time better by promoting all the good that happens in our sport.

 

[mollymags]

These two statments kind of conrtidict eachother don't you think???

No, I don't think they contradict each other. My first statement was meant as, "if you're only cheering because you get to wear a crop top, go home." My second statement was meant as, "I would have been so uncomfortable and embarrassed in a crop top that I wouldn't be able to step out onto a competition floor in front of an arena full of spectators and truly give all my focus to my routine instead of self consciousness, so I most likely would have gone to high school cheerleading if I had no other options."

 

[Coach Troy]

But you said you "never ever would have been comfortable in a full top"???

 

[Just-a-Mom]

Way too much thought.

This. ^^^

OK, I know I am world famous for being wordy as all get out, and for rehashing my point for page upon page until the thread gets locked...but for real. This is the longest,
wordiest,
most-lengthy-paragraph-having-est,
run-on-sentence-y,
same-posts-over-and-over-again-y thread I have ever seen. but since I love a good, long, wordy argument, I'll weigh in.:D

As has been pointed out, I'm confused about this idea that you should be "entitled" to choose? What activity does any child participate in that doesn't regulate what they wear? Even middle school band has a requirement on skirt length. So I don't understand why people are upset that a guideline has been put in place. Much like every other rule in the world, the few have spoiled it for the many. I'd like to drive 120 miles an hour to practice, but some fools had to mess that up for me too and now I have to drive half that. I have never done anything to indicate that I wouldn't be a perfect, safe driver at that speed, but someone else did. And hence ...a RULE that I must follow.


Anyway, carry on. I read this whole thing today, so I think I'm entitled to a dramatic, yet happy, ending. My daughter is doing Irish dancing now. Have ya seen those outfits??? (and their cost!!!) :confused: I wouldn't be complaining about a full top cheer uniform right about now, that's for sure.


(for the record I'm indifferent. I like crop tops better, but as long as the timing of the purchase fell in line with the regularly scheduled timing of uniform purchases, I would have been fine either way.)

And PS, I'm ONLY VISITING. :oops:

 

[cupieqt]

This. ^^^

OK, I know I am world famous for being wordy as all get out, and for rehashing my point for page upon page until the thread gets locked...but for real. This is the longest,
wordiest,
most-lengthy-paragraph-having-est,
run-on-sentence-y,
same-posts-over-and-over-again-y thread I have ever seen. but since I love a good, long, wordy argument, I'll weigh in.:D

As has been pointed out, I'm confused about this idea that you should be "entitled" to choose? What activity does any child participate in that doesn't regulate what they wear? Even middle school band has a requirement on skirt length. So I don't understand why people are upset that a guideline has been put in place. Much like every other rule in the world, the few have spoiled it for the many. I'd like to drive 120 miles an hour to practice, but some fools had to mess that up for me too and now I have to drive half that. I have never done anything to indicate that I wouldn't be a perfect, safe driver at that speed, but someone else did. And hence ...a RULE that I must follow.


Anyway, carry on. I read this whole thing today, so I think I'm entitled to a dramatic, yet happy, ending. My daughter is doing Irish dancing now. Have ya seen those outfits??? (and their cost!!!) :confused: I wouldn't be complaining about a full top cheer uniform right about now, that's for sure.


(for the record I'm indifferent. I like crop tops better, but as long as the timing of the purchase fell in line with the regularly scheduled timing of uniform purchases, I would have been fine either way.)

And PS, I'm ONLY VISITING. :oops:

I love when you come to visit.

 

[SparkleSpankies]

But you said you "never ever would have been comfortable in a full top"???

You are just being nit-picky... she was fired up and it was a typo. I forgive her :-)

 

[Mom2Cheergirls]

This. ^^^

OK, I know I am world famous for being wordy as all get out, and for rehashing my point for page upon page until the thread gets locked...but for real. This is the longest,
wordiest,
most-lengthy-paragraph-having-est,
run-on-sentence-y,
same-posts-over-and-over-again-y thread I have ever seen. but since I love a good, long, wordy argument, I'll weigh in.:D

I've yet to lock it up :) Sure I must have gotten close:rolleyes:

 

[yojaehs]

Ahh I suppose you are right...but I'm still trying to figure out who we are pleasing and why were getting rid of crop tops instead of containing costs....

I do see the side of the parent of a crossover, but I'm not a fan of crossovers to begin with (that's a whole different thread LOL). I don't see it done as a "hey let's make more money off of crossovers". As this debate has continued I think a lot of people (not you) are seeing this as a negative but for all the wrong reasons. Regardless of whether it's a crop top or full top there will be complaints. The way I look at is YES, in the beginning there will be issues bc change never goes over smoothly but in the end a full top has the potential to gain customers. This could grow the sport, why is this such a big issue? If I was a parent of a child that crosses over I would encourage my gym to ALL have full tops. This would save you money and the responsibility lies on the gym NOT USASF.

 

[MomMomMamaMom]

I truly don't believe anyone is trying to make more money off of me and my crossover, the gym could go to all full tops....Or say we won't crossover, etc. But I do think if we want to grow the sport, more people don't do it because of the cost than because of the image. That's all I'm saying......

And not to be unpopular here, but I'm with you on the all full top thing. I said earlier, i think that the Senior teams are the essentially the image of cheer, so if the issue really is image, than all teams should be included. But it was mentioned earlier that not having a No Crop Tops At All rule was due to a compromise, where some gym owners thought that taking away all crop tops would hurt them...I'll have to check but something about lessening their competitive edge. If this is the perception, I highly doubt that gyms will be giving up their crop tops for seniors....but who knows.

 

[cheergirlbrey]

There are many gyms where crossovers still have to buy a different top for the older age bracket/level both crop top and full top gyms I have seen the "elite" team of the gym have a different top than the other teams.

Heck there are gyms ( like WC) that have completely different uniforms for every team....you cross over, you buy two. It is what it is! No different than than the kids out there who play their sport on many various leagues where they need full uniforms n bags.
S/N: my niece was lucky enough to have to buy a new uni every season due to moving up or crossing over and earned quite a collection lol Was her mom estatic, eh but it's what had to happen sometimes!

 

[Ashley]

I truly don't believe anyone is trying to make more money off of me and my crossover, the gym could go to all full tops....Or say we won't crossover, etc. But I do think if we want to grow the sport, more people don't do it because of the cost than because of the image. That's all I'm saying......

And not to be unpopular here, but I'm with you on the all full top thing. I said earlier, i think that the Senior teams are the essentially the image of cheer, so if the issue really is image, than all teams should be included. But it was mentioned earlier that not having a No Crop Tops At All rule was due to a compromise, where some gym owners thought that taking away all crop tops would hurt them...I'll have to check but something about lessening their competitive edge. If this is the perception, I highly doubt that gyms will be giving up their crop tops for seniors....but who knows.

I get your point, but there's no reason the USASF can't do both. It's not an either/or. One is just an easier thing for them to tackle right now.

Likewise, I don't believe that outsiders have as much of an issue with senior-age girls (most of whom are in high school) wearing crop tops. I think it's the team of 8-year olds that they take issue with - if, of course, they take issue at all.

 

[MomMomMamaMom]

I get your point, but there's no reason the USASF can't do both. It's not an either/or. One is just an easier thing for them to tackle right now.

Likewise, I don't believe that outsiders have as much of an issue with senior-age girls (most of whom are in high school) wearing crop tops. I think it's the team of 8-year olds that they take issue with - if, of course, they take issue at all.

I hope they do do both....and in general, people are not as upset by teenager wearing "skimpier" clothes. I'm sure that is exactly why the compromise was made :)

Not to mention the fact that I'm guessing the powers that be wanted to take the younger levels of cheer as far away from the pageant world as they could get it.

I don't feel like my rights have been stripped in any way, and I'm happy to support All Star Cheer in it's newest evolution. I just like to pontificate. I feel like there are sweeping changes on the horizon, and if it is in fact at a crossroads, I'm working out where I would like to see it go.


*** I tried, but I"m sure there are still run on sentences...lol.