All-Star Question About What One Of The Commentators Said During Orange's Worlds Performance!

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So i was watching worlds on espn2 just now and during Stingray Orange performance a basket didn't go when it was supposed to. I think this was during the tumbling section. One of the commentators said, "look like they didn't throw a basket....that's to bad, that'll be a HUUUUGE deduction". Was that really as big of a deduction as she made it sound?? If so, how much of a deduction?? Just curious :)
 
I wouldn't think that something not thrown would be a deduction, how would the judges KNOW the basket was meant to be thrown? But I don't know, maybe I'm wrong lol I just don't think that something not going (and there was only one i think) is a deduction.
 
They didn't receive any deductions according to the posted score sheets on cheerlebrity.
 
The same announcers that gave a brilliant analysis of how the 12-18 age range for seniors allowed for like 2 or 3 sets of sisters to be on F5?

The announcers are irrelevant to whats being shown...don't pay them any attention.
 
well i guess the commentator just wanted to sound like a know it all then :p
 
It wasn't a big deduction (or really too much of anything). Had they thrown the basket they still would have received third. Here is why the announcers did it:

Cheerleading has different scoresheets and different ways of scoring everything everywhere. There really is no standardization outside of all of Jamfest companies using the same scoresheet and most of Varsity's companies using the same scoresheet. Worlds has a completely new and different scoresheet not used all year long. Only the highly intelligent readers of this board and coaches would be able to somewhat understand how these unused before scoresheets worked and that Panthers exposed a loophole and took advantage of it. To help give readers a reason as to why a 4 time champion would not repeat again they picked out the only discernible thing they could and focused in on it. The idea is giving casual watchers a way to relate to whats going on.

Why this is a major problem:

If I were a casual watcher and a high school cheerleader watching worlds I would think that a bobble in the stunt sequence doesn't matter and not throwing a basket must be the WORST deduction you can get. I wouldn't understand Panthers are taking huge advantage of a loophole in the scoresheet (they had a great routine as well, the loophole was the separator). Then I explain it to my parents and friends that is why Orange 'lost' (obviously wrong) and it starts to spread inconsistencies about cheerleading.

IF we are not going to have a universal scoring system that can be applied and slightly altered from allstar to high school to college (you know... the places all the other major sports participate in) then we need better more factual reasons and education on why teams did and placed how they did. (although it would be quite a bit easier if we just had a universal scoresheet)</rant>
 
It wasn't a big deduction (or really too much of anything). Had they thrown the basket they still would have received third. Here is why the announcers did it:

Cheerleading has different scoresheets and different ways of scoring everything everywhere. There really is no standardization outside of all of Jamfest companies using the same scoresheet and most of Varsity's companies using the same scoresheet. Worlds has a completely new and different scoresheet not used all year long. Only the highly intelligent readers of this board and coaches would be able to somewhat understand how these unused before scoresheets worked and that Panthers exposed a loophole and took advantage of it. To help give readers a reason as to why a 4 time champion would not repeat again they picked out the only discernible thing they could and focused in on it. The idea is giving casual watchers a way to relate to whats going on.

Why this is a major problem:

If I were a casual watcher and a high school cheerleader watching worlds I would think that a bobble in the stunt sequence doesn't matter and not throwing a basket must be the WORST deduction you can get. I wouldn't understand Panthers are taking huge advantage of a loophole in the scoresheet (they had a great routine as well, the loophole was the separator). Then I explain it to my parents and friends that is why Orange 'lost' (obviously wrong) and it starts to spread inconsistencies about cheerleading.

IF we are not going to have a universal scoring system that can be applied and slightly altered from allstar to high school to college (you know... the places all the other major sports participate in) then we need better more factual reasons and education on why teams did and placed how they did. (although it would be quite a bit easier if we just had a universal scoresheet)</rant>

what loophole did panthers take advantage of?
 
what loophole did panthers take advantage of?

While in appearance stunting looks like its worth a lot more, tumbling is worth WAY more than stunting. So all their double fulls was worth more than the hardest stunting at Worlds.
 
sooo F5's missed basket in 09 is a 'tiny' deduction, but oranges this year is a 'huge' deduction?
 
sooo F5's missed basket in 09 is a 'tiny' deduction, but oranges this year is a 'huge' deduction?

And that is why over dramatizing things is not good.
 
I still can't believe there is no universal score sheet. that's ridiculous. (i never did all star.)

I think the Panthers were smart to take advantage of the "loophole." It obviously worked out for them! Play to win.
 
A universal scoresheet would make everything so much easier. Although we still dont have one for HS cheer in IL, either. Anyway I have always thought about if a basket didnt go up, if the judges would know....
 

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