All-Star Sandbagging

[Stopdroptumble19]

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I think they should do the up/down one level at all comps.

What about small gyms where they don't have a level that is up or down one? Just some food for thought

If only we could live in a cheer world where everybody is polite and I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone eat it and be happy :p

 

[purplecheer]

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What about small gyms where they don't have a level that is up or down one? Just some food for thought

If only we could live in a cheer world where everybody is polite and I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone eat it and be happy :p

Yeah, definitely have small gym rules. Maybe in case of injury you can cross more than one level?

 

[Bellabooker]

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What about small gyms where they don't have a level that is up or down one? Just some food for thought

If only we could live in a cheer world where everybody is polite and I could bake a cake filled with rainbows and smiles and everyone eat it and be happy :p

I agree different rules for small gyms. I've noticed more comps have split small gyms/large gyms and with the d2 summit it would be easier for them to have their own set of rules

 

[cheer25mom]

I think that the rule should be no more than 25% of your team can also compete on a higher level team. That way, small gyms that need to use crossovers have the leeway to do so, but big gyms can't get away with running a level 2 team where half the team is also level 4/5.

 

[Mndl]

My feelings with crossovers are mixed. One the one hand, In large gyms I see no reason why a level 5 worlds athlete should be crossing down to a level 4, let alone a level 3 or 2; it just rubs me the wrong way. On the other hand, I don't have a problem with gyms, especially small gyms, using crossovers between one level. CP's gym has about 4 or 5 girls crossing between level 2 and 3, without them it would be hard to field the level 2 team. So I definitely think any crossover rules need to be different for gyms that are considered D2.

 

[OULuvCheer2]

I agree with different rules for small gyms.
I don't think crossovers should be banned but definitely limited. There are several athletes that are on 3 teams at my CP's gym and they have the kids to not do this. So limit to 2 teams with rules.
They can only crossover to same level or 1 level. For instance, an athlete may be able to base on a Youth team but is small enough to fly on a Junior team. They should be able to gain the experience to be a well rounded athlete.

 

[Lablover]

I really think crossing over can be beneficial to the athlete. My daughter is on a higher level team but does none of the standing tumbling because she doesn't have it. She's there to base and do running tumbling. She also bases on a lower level team where she is able to do all the tumbling as well as base. However the lower level team isn't easy for her. It has younger athletes who don't all have years and years of experience. So there is more of an expectation that she will help the stunts hit than she has on the higher team.
That being said at many gyms that stack and don't use crossovers my cp would never have been placed on the higher level team because she doesn't have all the skills for that level. And I've seen how much she's grown from being challenged so on a personal level I appreciate the opportunity to cross over and expand her skill set.

 

[XtremeWpg]

We have 2 athletes that cross from mini 1 to youth 2, each is 7/8 years old, and wanted to be with their age group friends on mini but on a team with their level 2 skills. We have 2 youth 2 girls that are 11/12 that cross to senior 3 for the same reasons, be with their age group on youth 2, but their tumbling skill level on senior a3.

I think cross-overs have a place, and if its in within 1 level it makes sense. It also makes sense to me when kids are on the boarder of age groups. I know teams that are made from 70%+ of cross overs in the same age group in level 1 and 2, and that annoys me. At that point, you're sandbagging with your level 1 team since they all come out an hour later and perform solid level 2 skills.

 

[gofriars610]

@everyone sandbagging will always be an issue until the USASF decides to ban crossovers. Which should happen soon. Ok thx bye


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I don't think crossovers should be banned. Limited to maybe +/- two levels (so a 3 to a 5, and vice versa), but definitely not banned.

EDIT: I also don't think there should be different rules for different-sized gyms until a true D1 / D2 split is made.

 

[dat.jpp]

I disagree. A sandbagged team would be if the entire team had higher level skills. Here's an example.

There's a gym who is trying to place around 40 athletes onto two teams. In this group, about 30 athletes have round off handspring tucks, about 20 or so of the tucks have solid combination skills, but the rest are working on them. The 10 other girls have solid level 2 skills, but are working on level three skills. This is in an ideal world of course because a team isn't decided only on tumbling, stunting, jumps, etc. are also considered.

By your reasoning, the gym should have two level three teams, but that simply isn't the way to run a gym. You place your strongest 20 combination tucks on one team. You place the rest on a level two team.

Isn't that the way it should be? If you had two level three teams, one would be stacked, and the other would be weak, or if you balance them equally you only have 10 combos per team.

A sandbagged team would be if you took that level 3 team and competed as a level 2.

Like what happened to FCA back in 2012? Diamonds had like 3/4 level kills. There small team had 3/7 level skills.

 

[Nothanks]

Like what happened to FCA back in 2012? Diamonds had like 3/4 level kills. There small team had 3/7 level skills.

I'm not sure what you mean...Diamonds got 8th at worlds that year...they definitely didn't have level 3/4 skills...and Onyx was IAG5, but I don't remember where they came in US trials.

 

[dat.jpp]

I'm not sure what you mean...Diamonds got 8th at worlds that year...they definitely didn't have level 3/4 skills...and Onyx was IAG5, but I don't remember where they came in US trials.

The team is called Rubies. I think there the senior level 4 team for FCA now.

 

[dawgshow]

*they're

 

[Nothanks]

The team is called Rubies. I think there the senior level 4 team for FCA now.

They were senior 4 for many years, went senior 5 for 2(? maybe only one), and then dropped back down to level 4.

 

[blyndreamalum]

Eta: meant to quote this to the post about what would the cea teams with worlds athletes do for summit, I think it was in this thread?


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