All-Star Usa Cheer New Music Rules..

[AngelsMum24]

Ok, someone with more legal knowledge than me help me out. We've been discussing this in the high school section for a few weeks now because it was put out that summer camp music had to be covers or originals as well. Someone posted over there (can't remember who) that covers aren't any better. The whole point of copyright is to protect the artists/writers and make sure they earn the money for their creation. Covers still take the creation and just remake it, so the song the artist wrote, the music they put together is still not getting credit or payment with a cover. Are covers really legal, is it any better? Now you're still stealing their creation, but not only are you profiting off of it instead of them, they likely now don't even get name recognition.

Rachel Platon's fight song is a good example. In my mind I think SE had a large part in her success. Give one of the most watched teams in cheer an exclusive unique new song and you have just gotten your song in front of a lot of people who will go download buy and checkout your other stuff. Kids will share with friends and call into radios to have the song played. Now change that with the new cover rule. New artist Rachel's song is covered. SE uses the cover version in the pyramid. Now Rachel's song is still technically being stolen (even though not her vocals.) Everyone knows the cover song, but has no clue it's Rachel. No one goes searching on iTunes to buy Rachel's song, no one cares to find Rachel on youtube, they just enjoy this song that SE has in their music and next season are going to ask their producer to put it in their own mix. Rachel still isn't getting any credit or financial gain. No one knows who she is either. I almost think covers are worse.

All Star Music: What Is Happening? - CheerSounds

 

[AngelsMum24]

It mentioned if you play music in a lobby or waiting room you need to have a license. So if you run a dentists office and play the radio in your lobby you could be sued if you don't have a license through a place like ASCAP?

Yes. Even the hair salon if they are playing the radio.

 

[5-6-7-8]

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but...... shouldn't artists be paying us to endorse their music? :confused: lol rhetorical but actually wanted an answer type of question. i mean think about it... we're giving them shine, publicity, etc... for free? why should we have to pay them lol. but guys i already know why we have to pay them! don't quote me w the answer to that please lol.
but at this point i can see Cheer mixers making beats or buying beats only to make 50 million voiceovers throughout the song and that is what cheer music will be next season.

I actually agree with this. I have spent quite a few $$ on iTunes after CP wanted a buy a song (album) she heard in a mix. And it is the only way I am current on pop music (not normal my thing.)

 

[_MRB]

I actually agree with this. I have spent quite a few $$ on iTunes after CP wanted a buy a song (album) she heard in a mix. And it is the only way I am current on pop music (not normal my thing.)

NO SERIOUSLY! there would be so many songs that i didn't know if i didn't listen to cheer music like it was regular music. i can probably count on my two hands how many mixes had songs i knew from outside of cheer lol

 

[ryanaarontroy]

As a coach I can honestly say I do not know what to do. I coach an entire youth rec program. I feel like this is going to cost even more money than anticipated.

Who is going to monitor this, who is going to be like uh no sorry you have Taylor swift, here's your lawsuit.

It's honestly stressful as hell.
Wtf are high school teams going to do lol

 

[CheerItFullOut]

As a coach I can honestly say I do not know what to do. I coach an entire youth rec program. I feel like this is going to cost even more money than anticipated.

Who is going to monitor this, who is going to be like uh no sorry you have Taylor swift, here's your lawsuit.

It's honestly stressful as hell.
Wtf are high school teams going to do lol

A. Buy released covers and mix them
B. Buy original (legally copywritten Released music) and mix it
C. Do just the first part of a or b and have someone mix it for you.
D. Hustle and fundraise your butt off for a really really expensive Top notch mix.- p.s if I get the "everything in cheer is so expensive, it's really hard and the kids already have to hit everyone up for money for everything else" bit...I'm going to roll my eyes.
You can do ANYTHING if you put your mind to it. This is what we tell our kids right?
I came into a program that was in a multi thousand dollar hole... My kids had been through multiple advisors, coaches and couldn't sell coats to Kids in the North Pole if they were wearing swimsuits. But somehow, some way... We MADE things happen. So get creative, find a way...and like Tim Gunn says, "Make it Work!" ;)

 

[AScheer]

Who is going to monitor this, who is going to be like uh no sorry you have Taylor swift, here's your lawsuit.

This is what I'm wondering. Are we going to have a music specialist at every event listening for copyrighted music? My school teams mixes have been custom work and covers for a few years now. Can anyone tell... no. In all of the mixes over the years, there has been 1 song that I could faintly tell was not the real artist. Every other "remake" sounded real and no one has noticed. Now who is gonna be able to tell if you have covered music or the real thing? I don't understand how they're going to police it, or if they are just putting this policy out there to cover their own buts if a lawsuit ever happened. Like a "we told them it wasn't allowed" type thing so they can't be held liable.

 

[CheerItFullOut]

This is what I'm wondering. Are we going to have a music specialist at every event listening for copyrighted music? My school teams mixes have been custom work and covers for a few years now. Can anyone tell... no. In all of the mixes over the years, there has been 1 song that I could faintly tell was not the real artist. Every other "remake" sounded real and no one has noticed. Now who is gonna be able to tell if you have covered music or the real thing? I don't understand how they're going to police it, or if they are just putting this policy out there to cover their own buts if a lawsuit ever happened. Like a "we told them it wasn't allowed" type thing so they can't be held liable.

I think we will have to more than likely provide:
A. Proof of music release through music provider or if it's a home cut track a paper trail/documentation origination of music sent in with registration forms.
B. There will be an individual (just like a safety judge) who pre listens to music and will notify you if they think there are issues... At THAT point they will ask you for documentation.
C. There will be a pre approved list of individuals/producers you can utilize and they won't have to check because there will already be guidelines they will be contracted to adhere to and by utilizing the individuals on this list... You are not subject to additional "hoops" to jump through for music verification

 

[ryanaarontroy]

I contacted cheersounds and asked if they sell their covers because they have great sounding covers. They said no, the only way to get their covers is by getting a mix from them, which I don't want to do. Soooooo there's that. Lol tried to find a solution, and backfired.

 

[Official OWECheer]

A. Buy released covers and mix them
B. Buy original (legally copywritten Released music) and mix it
C. Do just the first part of a or b and have someone mix it for you.
D. Hustle and fundraise your butt off for a really really expensive Top notch mix.- p.s if I get the "everything in cheer is so expensive, it's really hard and the kids already have to hit everyone up for money for everything else" bit...I'm going to roll my eyes.
You can do ANYTHING if you put your mind to it. This is what we tell our kids right?
I came into a program that was in a multi thousand dollar hole... My kids had been through multiple advisors, coaches and couldn't sell coats to Kids in the North Pole if they were wearing swimsuits. But somehow, some way... We MADE things happen. So get creative, find a way...and like Tim Gunn says, "Make it Work!" ;)

Um. Storytime.

 

[Official OWECheer]

I contacted cheersounds and asked if they sell their covers because they have great sounding covers. They said no, the only way to get their covers is by getting a mix from them, which I don't want to do. Soooooo there's that. Lol tried to find a solution, and backfired.

LOL at this rate 95% of us'll be living off of Kyle Blitch's 8-tracks for at least a few years.

 

[Eyes On The Prize]

If someone has waaay too much time on their hands, they could do something like the Tonight Show did with some NBC news show; use a bunch of sound clips to make it sound like they're singing/rapping a song.

Or remix news stories... I wonder if those licenses are cheaper.

unBREAKABLE. They alive, dammit!

 

[Official OWECheer]

Or remix news stories... I wonder if those licenses are cheaper.

unBREAKABLE. They alive, dammit!

KAPOOYAH! KAPOOYAH!

"We climbin' on yo Worlds mat, snatching yo titles up, tryna take 'em, so y'all better hide ya rings, hide ya globes and hide ya jackets cuz we robbin' errybody out here."

 

[CheerItFullOut]

Um. Storytime.

I would TOTALY go on and on.. And could .. For days, maybe write a book. But.. That would be gossip and speaking about others...I was just touching on the program's rough past as a way of describing how one can Overcome: afterall : "I never look back Darling, it distracts from the now"- Edna Mode ;)

 

[ryanaarontroy]

Update: a cover site wanted 20$ a track with licensing.

This is a joke right? Like I'm sorry. But some gyms have tons teams. And how in the HELL are people supposed to afford this. I can't even get proper quotes from music producers because they have to completely re evaluate their pricing.

essentially we're going to be paying even more for a mix that does not sound as well. Oh what a time for cheerleading. Lol