All-Star Worlds Bracket Contest

[Ren]

I really like the idea of normalising the scores, you could maybe have the picking 1-5 (/1-3) in each division, but then top 3 overall (after normalising scores) as a bonus or something?

 

[King]

I really like the idea of normalising the scores, you could maybe have the picking 1-5 (/1-3) in each division, but then top 3 overall (after normalising scores) as a bonus or something?

That is gonna take some math to figure out. And frankly if it is too complicated not many will participate.

 

[BlueCat]

Ok more thoughts (people this is gonna get more nerdy before it gets less nerdy):

If we normalize the range of scores in each division THEN a team from large senior could compete against a team from small senior. In a way it would be able to compare apples to oranges. Is the appleness of this apple better than the orangeness of this orange.

So when a score comes in from small senior because they are typically scored lower than large senior but they score high for their division they could compete against someone else.

I think you and I would love the idea of normalizing the scores (% of top score in division) or even going further and doing standard deviation from your division's median score, etc. We probably would even enjoy a lengthy discussion of designing the most fair way to arrive at a calculated final score. However, I think that would absolutely suck the fun right out of it for most.

Worlds is also a different animal when it comes to scoring. They don't even pretend to try to keep scores consistent between divisions. Also, different divisions use different score sheets. (Which is fine, by the way, assuming everyone understands that going in.) That is part of the reason that USASF does not award a grand champion.

 

[Ren]

That is gonna take some math to figure out. And frankly if it is too complicated not many will participate.

Surely everything can be done in a spreadsheet? What exactly did you have in mind?

I was thinking take the middle 50% of scores in each division, average them, then calculate what factor or percentage the highest score is above that?

i.e. Using completely fabricated scores of 87, 90, 93, 93.5, 94, 96, 96.2
Middle 50% (closest to without adding values) would be 93, 93.5, 94, so average is 93.5. 96.2/93.5 = 1.03 (2dp)

Maybe that is too complex, although everyone doesn't need to understand the maths, just that the contest is "Who's going to do best at Worlds once discrepencies between divisions have been removed?"

I guess a more simple, but probably less fair, way of doing it is simply how much above the median score of each division the top teams are.

Using the same data scores of 87, 90, 93, 93.5, 94, 96, 96.2
93.5 is the median, highest score is 2.7 above the median.

 

[King]

Surely everything can be done in a spreadsheet? What exactly did you have in mind?

I was thinking take the middle 50% of scores in each division, average them, then calculate what factor or percentage the highest score is above that?

i.e. Using completely fabricated scores of 87, 90, 93, 93.5, 94, 96, 96.2
Middle 50% (closest to without adding values) would be 93, 93.5, 94, so average is 93.5. 96.2/93.5 = 1.03 (2dp)

Maybe that is too complex, although everyone doesn't need to understand the maths, just that the contest is "Who's going to do best at Worlds once discrepencies between divisions have been removed?"

I guess a more simple, but probably less fair, way of doing it is simply how much above the median score of each division the top teams are.

Using the same data scores of 87, 90, 93, 93.5, 94, 96, 96.2
93.5 is the median, highest score is 2.7 above the median.

I think something that complicated for the lay person would not be as much fun for as many people. I would enjoy the heck out of it, but I would rather something I can get as many people playing together at once.

 

[Remy Kobernusz]

Ok... When do u think it will be out??


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[Ren]

I think something that complicated for the lay person would not be as much fun for as many people. I would enjoy the heck out of it, but I would rather something I can get as many people playing together at once.

Yeah, reading back it does look rather complicated! I swear it seemed simpler in my head... I'm probably going to go ahead and calculate lots of things from the results anyway, just because I miss doing any form of maths/stats/data manipulation :oops:

 

[King]

Ok... When do u think it will be out??


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I'd say after all bids have been given out. So talking about how the game will work now means we will have a better one to play when its time.