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And now you LEGIT have to stunt basket pyramid in international. The top end ranges are all fixed to match their actual percentage.
This year just got HARD
I'm laughing at this. Where do you live? Because that's not easily doable in New England where you're lucky if you can find 12 guys for an ioc6 team. We were probably the best coed 6 team in New England last year and we managed team toss libs, but a number of those had two guys underneath.
I'm not saying that I feel bad for the little guys - I think they still have a purpose. You still need tumbling, it's just not going to be the highlight of the routine. But then you can add big stunting guys who don't tumble or older athletes who no longer tumble but can still stunt. Those little boys can catch double downs and throw baskets and get involved in pyramids. You can put two of them together and they can do a stunt together in a team stunt to eek in one more if you don't have 12 guys who can do it on their own.
Edit: Is tumbling worth less than last year? It seems like we had this debate then.
No more level 6 for us, just level 5 this year. But, for example, Rust last year would be winning this division by a VERY large amount.
I live in Socal, home of the little tumblers who can't stunt and scoff at you if you don't tumble. It's bad out here! When it comes to smaller stunters, it's all about technique and their desire to work hard at it. I've never seen anyone who can't at least toss target by themselves with proper coaching and hard work. I agree with what you're saying about the teams. I think we're going to start seeing a lot more well rounded teams, and that excites me! Kind of wish I would have done Lv6 this year when I had the chance :(
Who are you? I don't know where you are from but trying to find guys where cheer isn't popular is the hardest thing let alone finding big meat head guys to do that kind of stunting. If you look at the coed teams in the northwest which isn't alot, but majority of the guys are skinny tumblers. I think have 2 man stunt groups is totally reasonable but true unassisted stunting like your talking is NOT easily doable as you put it. Do I think there needs too have focus on coed stunting sure but you need to be realistic. I think this coed stunting point value will further the fact that big gyms who can pull in this kind of talent will continue to win and the small gyms hurt even more.I love this, and it's the first time I've EVER been truly excited to watch all star stuff. I'm big on stunts, and not one man but there's really 2-3 people underneath it stunts. I don't feel bad for the little guys at all. It's not hard to learn how to partner stunt, no matter what size you are. Having a full team toss target - stretch - double down section is easily doable, then choreograph an elite section for the big boys to do their thing. Instead of looking at it as tumbling taking a hit, I think this is something that opens up all stars to a whole new audience that weren't necessary before - big guys like me that can stunt the crap out of anyone, but probably won't be doing more then BHS/standing tucks for a looooong time.
Maybe this will help out the state of college cheer too. Forcing all the tumblers to partner stunt might make them interested in college cheer again!
Also, and not sure if everyone noticed, on baskets and jumps execution is worth more. On stunting and pyramids difficulty is worth more. On tumbling execution and difficulty are even. So we are now rewarding skills in the correct ways. No routine maxes out this socresheet at all. If the scoresheet looks intimidating.. it is.
I noticed, and I hope the range is defined and scored to that level of detail. Especially this year. We need an adge somewhere.;) I'm having a hard time seeing a panel getting this right in the short period of time they seem to have from my layperson perspective. I still think ultimately that video is going to have to come into play and really do not see why it would be a problem. We can watch a Jammy knock off while scores are compiled.
Who are you? I don't know where you are from but trying to find guys where cheer isn't popular is the hardest thing let alone finding big meat head guys to do that kind of stunting. If you look at the coed teams in the northwest which isn't alot, but majority of the guys are skinny tumblers. I think have 2 man stunt groups is totally reasonable but true unassisted stunting like your talking is NOT easily doable as you put it. Do I think there needs too have focus on coed stunting sure but you need to be realistic. I think this coed stunting point value will further the fact that big gyms who can pull in this kind of talent will continue to win and the small gyms hurt even more.
Who are you? I don't know where you are from but trying to find guys where cheer isn't popular is the hardest thing let alone finding big meat head guys to do that kind of stunting. If you look at the coed teams in the northwest which isn't alot, but majority of the guys are skinny tumblers. I think have 2 man stunt groups is totally reasonable but true unassisted stunting like your talking is NOT easily doable as you put it. Do I think there needs too have focus on coed stunting sure but you need to be realistic. I think this coed stunting point value will further the fact that big gyms who can pull in this kind of talent will continue to win and the small gyms hurt even more.
It bothers me that there's no rubric. You're basically telling the judges to score teams by holding up a sign 1-20 in some sections. That's a huge range and hopefully judges can be consistent with the routines that they score.
So you're saying that while Louisville (sorry Gym Tyme) may have had better tumbling than you, you had better stunting (coed in particular)? You would also have the benefit of being able to build your routine to the Worlds scoresheet while they, first and foremost, would have to match NCA's. I don't remember either routine very well, but it didn't seem to me like the scoresheets were that different this year.
Also, that's really too bad you don't have Rust this year.
It bothers me that there's no rubric. You're basically telling the judges to score teams by holding up a sign 1-20 in some sections. That's a huge range and hopefully judges can be consistent with the routines that they score.
So you're saying that while Louisville (sorry Gym Tyme) may have had better tumbling than you, you had better stunting (coed in particular)? You would also have the benefit of being able to build your routine to the Worlds scoresheet while they, first and foremost, would have to match NCA's. I don't remember either routine very well, but it didn't seem to me like the scoresheets were that different this year.
Also, that's really too bad you don't have Rust this year.