All-Star Youth 2.4?

[FierceIsTheName]

But the real question is...

Would they go to worlds? :p

:D

 

[SparkleSpankies]

Well, Then we should also have 5.1, and non tumble, and non stunt, and no jump.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

The emphasis on tumbling is not going to go away. Tumbling classes are the bread and butter for gyms. It's much harder to staff and fill up stunt, jump and flex classes. Tumbling is always going to weigh heavily on the scoresheet because the tumbling coin is heavier in the pocket.

True, but tumbling classes fill up because parents know that TUMBLING is how you move up. If kids actually couldn't move up until they had ALL the skills, those other classes would fill up quick.

Put someone with a tuck on L2 and tell them they can't go on an L3 team until they can also do L3 stunts - and watch how fast mom hits the front desk to ask about stunting class.

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[Cheer Dad]

Senior 4.2 is a great idea. What do you think of YOUTH 2.4 for younger athletes that are higher level tumblers but can't pull off some of the harder stunts?

I hope you are not taking offense to any of the responses. Just that adding a new division only adds moe confusion and could lead to diluting the talent pool for other levels.


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[Angelica]

No
Never

 

[cupieqt]

True, but tumbling classes fill up because parents know that TUMBLING is how you move up. If kids actually couldn't move up until they had ALL the skills, those other classes would fill up quick.

Put someone with a tuck on L2 and tell them they can't go on an L3 team until they can also do L3 stunts - and watch how fast mom hits the front desk to ask about stunting class.

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Lol true! But staffing it is the problem. Paying 2, 3, 4 instructors for just a few kids is not cost effective. One teacher can coach 8-10 kids in a tumbling class but you need a lot more staff to cover a stunt class. It would probably be fine at a large gym where there is a bigger group of kids all needing those L3 stunt skills. A small gym would probably not have enough to cover the cost of the instructors.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

Lol true! But staffing it is the problem. Paying 2, 3, 4 instructors for just a few kids is not cost effective. One teacher can coach 8-10 kids in a tumbling class but you need a lot more staff to cover a stunt class. It would probably be fine at a large gym where there is a bigger group of kids all needing those L3 stunt skills. A small gym would probably not have enough to cover the cost of the instructors.

Way true. I cannot get parents to understand this at the studio. If only 2 kids sign up for Ballet I on Thursdays, we will cancel the class. That literally doesn't even pay one teacher to come in. I get that it's annoying, but there won't be a studio to have class at if we keep empty classes going!

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[cheernerd5678]

Well, Then we should also have 5.1, and non tumble, and non stunt, and no jump.

No jump sounds wonderful... Sign me up!


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[Pebbles49]

Oh great, another division to sandbag!

 

[TLClaire]

C

I hope you are not taking offense to any of the responses. Just that adding a new division only adds moe confusion and could lead to diluting the talent pool for other levels.


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No I totally understand! I just wanted to know what people thought. I'm from a very small gym with great tumbling staff, but most of them have never even been cheerleaders, so they can't teach stunts very well. We're lucky to even have senior level 3, but most of us can tumble level 4/5. :mad: It's pretty frustrating. But I knew most people would be opposed to 2.4

 

[FlexyTumblerMom]

How long would you say it takes to learn to stunt in general? Is it reasonable for someone to go from never stunted at all to a level 4 or 5 stunter in one or two year's time? Is it easier or harder depending on position - like easier for flyers vs. bases or vice versa?

If stunting takes just as long as tumbling to develop, then there might be a good argument for the 2.4, if not then it is silly - just be patient while you learn to stunt.

 

[Cheer Dad]

C

No I totally understand! I just wanted to know what people thought. I'm from a very small gym with great tumbling staff, but most of them have never even been cheerleaders, so they can't teach stunts very well. We're lucky to even have senior level 3, but most of us can tumble level 4/5. :mad: It's pretty frustrating. But I knew most people would be opposed to 2.4

That raises the question on if your coaches are credentialed through the usasf for any levels.

Assuming they have gymnastics background though and that is where the strong tumbling comes in.


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[NJ Coach]

How long would you say it takes to learn to stunt in general? Is it reasonable for someone to go from never stunted at all to a level 4 or 5 stunter in one or two year's time? Is it easier or harder depending on position - like easier for flyers vs. bases or vice versa?

If stunting takes just as long as tumbling to develop, then there might be a good argument for the 2.4, if not then it is silly - just be patient while you learn to stunt.

I would say it's easier for bases to learn but YES, you can learn level 4 or 5 stunts in that time. Actually, you can learn it in less than that time. Flyers, if they don't have the proper progressions (twisting especially) can struggle and it can lead to bad habits if they don't go slow and learn each progression.

 

[JuniorFusionFire]

Well, Then we should also have 5.1, and non tumble, and non stunt, and no jump.

That 3 year old flyer on the news a few days ago would be perfect for that team! In fact, we can pay her entrance fees, her travel/hotel costs, and maybe beg worlds to invite her and the rest of 5.1 on a paid bid to compete against the best of the best in cheerleading industry!

As for whether or not there should be a Youth 2.4, I would say no because it undermines the point of cheerleading. Anyways, a lot of Youth 3/4/5 teams aren't fully stacked to begin with. Many use these teams as their "push" teams while working on lower level skills anyways. Youth 2.4 is simply unnecessary and besides, which event producers would want to offer this division lol? The Susie's Mom Brands?

 

[Official OWECheer]

True, but tumbling classes fill up because parents know that TUMBLING is how you move up. If kids actually couldn't move up until they had ALL the skills, those other classes would fill up quick.

Put someone with a tuck on L2 and tell them they can't go on an L3 team until they can also do L3 stunts - and watch how fast mom hits the front desk to ask about stunting class.

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EXACTLY.

Unfortunately tumbling will always be the primary factor determining what level you make.