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Discussion in 'Allstar Cheerleading' started by Keep_Believing, Mar 10, 2021.

  1. oncecoolcoachnowmom

    oncecoolcoachnowmom Bestest Newbie '14

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    Additional Varsity thing that is peculiar:

    Does Varsity still own the Premier brand of gyms? That is still a thing.

    Imagine if you will a gym owned by the company that judges the comps. Weird right?

    I believe you previously could be credentialed to attend the HS nationals by having Premier do your home camp but not sure how true that is but holy conflict of interest, batman.

     
  2. oncecoolcoachnowmom

    oncecoolcoachnowmom Bestest Newbie '14

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    Additional scoresheet gripe:

    MAKE JUMPS TO BACK TUCK GREAT AGAIN.
     
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  3. luv2cheer92

    luv2cheer92 Moderator Staff Member Bracket Winner Video Curator

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    You have to do 2 + 1 or 3 to max out. The tuck is optional either way and is associated with the standing tumbling score, not the jump score.

    I don't believe connected tumbling has ever been a requirement to max out jump score, it's always been tied to the standing tumbling score.
     
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  4. Sterling von Shimmer

    Sterling von Shimmer When all else fails.... I shimmy

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    I really want to see better jump sections come back too. Four rotating jumps to standing full. The good stuff.
     
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  5. cac4life

    cac4life Last Pass... on International Open 1

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    i do if I only have to watch it...but id rather not make me do them...that was so hard ngl
     
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  6. UCFKnights07

    UCFKnights07 Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    i remember jumps to back being the most exhausting part of the routine, i hated them. I had great jumps too, but having to add 2 more jumps and a back tuck to it, ruined my pretty jumps. I know a lot of kids say its their least favorite part of the routine to have to do.
     
  7. Knowcheering

    Knowcheering Somewhere... some one.... is giving me a slow clap

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    I'd like the return of double downs before jumps to back. A double down used to essentially be a required skill. But this year when I saw teams at NCA do a double down, it was like, "wow, a rare skill, how nice". And the teams that can do double downs truly well stand out--- it used to be a great skill for comparing teams. It's more difficult than just flopping down onto your stomach or whatever dismounts teams are doing these days.
     
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  8. FamousxMindset

    FamousxMindset Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I hate ugly double downs so I'm much happier to see a good clean pop off lol.
     
  9. cac4life

    cac4life Last Pass... on International Open 1

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    Definitely was the worst part.
     
  10. AllyCat

    AllyCat I shimmy daily

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    but if you're using your team effectively everyone should be involved in every part of the routine in some capacity...I have never stood in the back or not in some way participated in a section basing, third, front or tumbling. except in 1 case when I was tumbling and would not make it to a stunt in time and it was only a 2 eight count stunt anyways.
     
  11. catlady

    catlady Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Both of my kids had a nugget year, and these were thoughts from a coach when at the end of the season I told him I'd rather my kids be on teams where their skills can be utilized, even if it meant a lower level, over and above nuggeting:

    1) Putting teams together always has athletes from the strongest to the weakest. To have a nugget is to have insurance, especially when you have nuggets that coaches know are in classes working on skills.

    2) Putting teams together is hard, again working from strongest down to weakest, and you don't always have a place for everyone. We still have to have a competitive routine and the alternative to nuggeting isn't that they get to do everything, it's someone having to tell you we don't have a place for your athlete.

    3) Cheerleading is hard. It is a game of hitting the toughest skills while maintaining enough stamina to get through an entire routine, and the routines keep getting harder. Often "nuggeting" is a coach purposely giving an athlete a breather, coaches have done this, and we can tell when athletes need more energy going into something. Tired athletes are often injured athletes.

    Not that it made me any happier both kids had nugget years, but it made me look at nuggeting differently from a team perspective and placing athletes.
     
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  12. Jenniferg482

    Jenniferg482 Last Pass... on International Open 1

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    my daughter is a 1/2 nugget- lol! She is tiny but a terrible not confident flyer. She is also too small to base or back on her Sr team but can front spot where needed. She can tumble and tumbles every pass where available- but sometimes there isn’t anything for her to do so she nuggets. She crosses down so she is learning to base and back with smaller girls. So we totally understand nugget-Ing. And she is building strength so she can’t participate in stunting.


     
  13. emo_wifey

    emo_wifey Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    Mine is a stunt nugget this year too! Almost same story, she is not the smallest or best flyer but also the smallest out of bases and backspots. 14 girls and no front spots to up level 1 difficulty equals two nuggets. They at least get to brace about four counts of the pyramid, and CP has a solo front pass. As long as there are legitimate reasons like this, I don't mind. I just hope she gets to be involved in stunts next year.
     
  14. oncecoolcoachnowmom

    oncecoolcoachnowmom Bestest Newbie '14

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    The whole "not small or skilled enough to fly but also not the strongest base" struggle is real.

    Especially for kiddos who have been flyers in the past.

    A lot of times when you hit Junior age and grow, your flying skills change too. Yes, you can rock it out as a tall flyer but generally, we need that height to base and it is hard when the tallest kids can't.

    I saw it at times with incoming freshmen who were maybe middle school flyers. Usually smallest on the team, now in HS and they're not tall, but not an itty bitty either but don't really know how to base.

    So they're trying to learn to base in a short period of time to get ready for HS and it is hard.

    I think cross-training kids from Mini and Youth to do both is helpful, that way they are not MARRIED to the idea of flying and have no other skills when they can no longer do it.
     
  15. AndyT_T

    AndyT_T Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I never minded jumps to tuck but jumps to hand tuck in the middle of a level 4 routine was literally the most exhausting thing I’ve ever done in cheer.
    Remember when a level 4 routing had a hand whip two to lay, jumps to T jump tuck, and a second jump to hand tuck? And that was just the standing tumbling! Level 4 used to be the most exhausting level when it comes to tumbling.