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- Jul 13, 2010
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Well i like their dance, and that they are back to their previous uniforms. lol
- Apr 2, 2011
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LOVE LOVE LOVE the jump choreo. I get so tired of "Walk to triangle, three jumps, tuck, walk away" I love when people use it to do something creative.
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Coming from a coach who coaches a small team of 18, i see no problem in having 4 groups. Its kind of ridiculous to claim someone is "cheating" by doing that. I know in our gym in particular we normally go with 20 on our small teams. This year we did not have the numbers to field both our level 5 and 4 with 20. You could use the argument "oh its just 1 person whats the big deal?" Well it actually is a big deal. My team in particular did not have the 5th flyer or bases for a 5th group so we took the best 18 for no other reason than that. We are doing what we can with our 18 athletes on the floor. Our gym is not huge and we don't draw a ton of higher level athletes. We do the best with what we have.
- Jan 23, 2010
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all the rays teams look amazing!!!
- Feb 4, 2010
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Since I started the post about the subject I wanted to clarify that I absolutely do not think having less than full team is cheating in any way. It is entirely within the rules and teams are smart to use it to their advantage. My personal opinion is that teams should be scored on maximums based on what a full team has, so 5 stunts would be max for a small team and if you have less than 5 you don't get the max score regardless of how many athletes are on the mat. I feel as you said it is much harder to field a full team, and so it should be rewarded for doing so.
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There are a few that are first year on F5, but not Twisters. Most have been on a World's Team at least a year or two. Some came from other gyms as well.
- Dec 15, 2009
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I still disagree with this. So just because a team comes from a small gym that cant field a full team of 20 they should be penalized for that? thats just making it that much easier for a large gym to have an advantage over a small gym.
a team should be rewarded with what they put on the floor based on the criteria of the score sheet. not how many kids they have on the floor.
- Mar 25, 2010
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I'm trying to see your point and know we are all entitled to our own opinion but you're saying since my team cannot field of a team of 20 simply because we do not draw the athletes we should be penalized??
- Dec 14, 2009
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Wow..... I'm really glad you don't write the rules. I respect your opinion but you just knocked about 3/4 of the gyms out there. The majority of gyms out there are small to medium sized and don't have an over abundance of level 5 kids They do everything they can to make their teams strong and to have to go in with a strike against them before they even compete because they don't have a full team is pretty unfair.
- Feb 4, 2010
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I'm glad I don't write them either! I can see both sides of the argument. In other sports we don't expect football or basketball teams to play with one less person and not have a disadvantage, so I guess I consider it to be the same thing in cheer. I don't think there should be a deduction, but I think lately it has become more of an advantage than disadvantage and I think for max points you should have the maximum stunts/tumbling/etc for a full team. I don't remember it being the norm to have less than a full team but lately it seems many teams are doing it because there is an advantage to doing so.
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I too have to chime in here and say I disagree with the idea that teams with less than the max amount of athletes should be at a disadvantage of some sort. I'll use my large senior 2 as an example (and I come from a large multi location program). We do not have a junior 2 at our gym. So every athlete who threw a back handspring at tryouts who was junior or senior aged made senior 2. This gave us a total of 30 athletes. Under the opinions posted here I would either need to be at a disadvantage of some sort or else hurt two different teams. I would need to put two non-level appropriate athletes on my team. So I would hurt my senior 2 because they now are not 100% as they were before, and I also hurt senior 1 as I am obviously going to take the two strongest athletes that would have made that team for the senior 2. With the new scoring for quantity stunts this year it is even harder to max when you don't have a solid level appropriate team. Instead of being able to have the one weaker stunt that is watered down and then doing an easy straight up stunt with Max +1 you now have to have your max number of pod stunts do at least one elite level stunt skill. So no you can't just take the people and just make another stunt happen per se. For a team who is putting the best possible athletes on a team it is no easier to put up 4/6/7 stunts with the athletes they have than it is for the maxed out team putting up 5/8/9 stunts. Also for the football reference (and I don't follow the sport so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) while the team with less players on the field, yes they may have a harder time against a full team, but they are not given a penalty right off the bat and are afforded the same opportunity at a win if their athletes are strong enough. This is the same with cheer. Smaller teams shouldn't be told they can't max out. And they are at a disadvantage already as it is harder to grab that wow factor or to do creative transitions to grab those overall impression points with less athletes where it is easier for a full team. I think how it is perfectly fair. You are judged for your ability to put the best possible product on the floor with the best possible athletes, not for the number of athletes you actually put on the floor regardless of the size of your program.
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These kids are the ECE J5 (JWow 2013) of 2016 in my book... pure insanity.
I haven't seen this much advanced tumbling out of a junior team (and frankly out of many senior teams) like ever. Keep your eyes on them this season. I'm so impressed! Bless WE and their tumbling coaches!
- Jul 13, 2010
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Random -- but I somehow discovered Rockstar "Heartbreakers" music on soundcloud. And It's kinda my fav/on repeat during my daily commute. Does anyone have a video of them? I check on YouTube couldn't find much. Thanks!
