Arms In Cradle Position?

[cheerheart4life]

As a flyer, I prefer to cradle with my arms in for safety reasons in double downs. I don't want to accidently open early and smack a base! But I like to catch myself in straight cradles and full downs because I have more control and can watch where my arms go better. I think it just all depends on what is more comfortable for the flyer(: But there is no doubt that arms in is safer!

 

[MissBee]

Just a lil sass in response to some sass

Take away the first s in sass and you're closer to being correct.

 

[HannahLou]

Apologies that this has gone a bit off the point, who would of thought cradling could be so controversial ;-)

I now understand that it is a choreography choice. I always thought there would be pros and cons for both as the top teams do both options so we can’t really claim that either is bad technique.

The only problem I have is knowing what I am going to do so I can tell my back. I may occasionally change my mind while twisting and obviously she then has to make a snap decision as to where to catch....she doesn’t like that haha.

I will have a play around with both and see what works best.

Thanks so much for all the feedback!

 

[flipmac]

Take away the first s in sass and you're closer to being correct.

look you have your strong opinions too... i have read many of your posts and you don't exactly come across completely evenly weighted always putting it in a nice way fair to both sides....

don't see me jumping on your back about it. done with this discussion thats for sure...

HannahLou def have right approach, try what works for you and you team, best to have every flier twist the same way IMO

 

[Fionaelite]

We tried with our flyer keeping her arms in for kick singles but, we just couldnt get the hang of catching her properly so that she didnt slip though our hands. anyone else have this problem, or have any tips? the arms in technique definatly allows you to spin easier, but at the same time we dont want to drop our flyer

 

[flipmac]

We tried with our flyer keeping her arms in for kick singles but, we just couldnt get the hang of catching her properly so that she didnt slip though our hands. anyone else have this problem, or have any tips? the arms in technique definatly allows you to spin easier, but at the same time we dont want to drop our flyer

the key is the body position the flyers holds.... is she pikes when cradled but keeps her arms in... she will slip right through... we teach our flyers to maintain hollow, or dish position.... to explain it, have your flyer lay on their back on the ground with the arms rest in their hips, then tell the to reach for their knees, as soon as the first finger touches the top of their knee, they are in hollow, or dish position.... that is how our flyers cradle

 

[Fionaelite]

Thanks, thats a new way of explaining the hollow shape, havent thought of that before :)

 

[alexismariex]

*A tip also is that if you are reloading straight from a cradle, have the flyers catch so that it makes for a cleaner reload. They get their elbows right up and can push off right away.

 

[yojaehs]

Whether a flier catches themselves or doesn't IS NOT just a "choreography" issue, it is a safety issue. Fliers should ALWAYS catch themselves, ALWAYS! Bases need to be taught to keep their arms high and catch as high as possible to avoid being hit as well as poping very high as well to give the flier time to complete their rotation. I've said this over 1,000 times to my kids and coaches along the way, just because you haven't had an injury doesn't mean you won't. As much as I sympathize with bases not wanting to be hit or injured a base being knocked by a flier is far less dangerous than a flier landing on the ground. I don't care how you teach your fliers to land, if they don't practice catching themselves it is DANGEROUS, period. It's not a preferance it's safety!

 

[MissBee]

Whether a flier catches themselves or doesn't IS NOT just a "choreography" issue, it is a safety issue. Fliers should ALWAYS catch themselves, ALWAYS! Bases need to be taught to keep their arms high and catch as high as possible to avoid being hit as well as poping very high as well to give the flier time to complete their rotation. I've said this over 1,000 times to my kids and coaches along the way, just because you haven't had an injury doesn't mean you won't. As much as I sympathize with bases not wanting to be hit or injured a base being knocked by a flier is far less dangerous than a flier landing on the ground. I don't care how you teach your fliers to land, if they don't practice catching themselves it is DANGEROUS, period. It's not a preferance it's safety!

I love you.

 

[yojaehs]

I love you.

Ditto!!! Just watched "Ghost"

 

[flipmac]

Whether a flier catches themselves or doesn't IS NOT just a "choreography" issue, it is a safety issue. Fliers should ALWAYS catch themselves, ALWAYS! Bases need to be taught to keep their arms high and catch as high as possible to avoid being hit as well as poping very high as well to give the flier time to complete their rotation. I've said this over 1,000 times to my kids and coaches along the way, just because you haven't had an injury doesn't mean you won't. As much as I sympathize with bases not wanting to be hit or injured a base being knocked by a flier is far less dangerous than a flier landing on the ground. I don't care how you teach your fliers to land, if they don't practice catching themselves it is DANGEROUS, period. It's not a preferance it's safety!

cool... so Kristin and Victor Rosario (+ top gun staff) are teaching their flyers to basket and cradle incorrectly? or un safely?

i am referring to their level 5 teams on this

this video shows one program opening for baskets and staying in for stunts, comments?



Drkilluzionz care to comment on this?

 

[Drkilluzionz]

cool... so Kristin and Victor Rosario (+ top gun staff) are teaching their flyers to basket and cradle incorrectly? or un safely?

i am referring to their level 5 teams on this

this video shows one program opening for baskets and staying in for stunts, comments?



Drkilluzionz care to comment on this?

i love people who think that their way is the only way...it's been my experience that those who close themselves off to trying new ways of doing things and different techniques often begin to fall behind the rest of the industry and ultimately dissipate...Good Luck!

I can only speak on why it is that we do what we do...We don't have the flyers catch because:

i began to go step by step when I then realized...we've done plenty of research and trial and error on our part...if you believe you can do it better and safer than congrats and good luck :-)

 

[SparkleSpankies]

Whether a flier catches themselves or doesn't IS NOT just a "choreography" issue, it is a safety issue. Fliers should ALWAYS catch themselves, ALWAYS! Bases need to be taught to keep their arms high and catch as high as possible to avoid being hit as well as poping very high as well to give the flier time to complete their rotation. I've said this over 1,000 times to my kids and coaches along the way, just because you haven't had an injury doesn't mean you won't. As much as I sympathize with bases not wanting to be hit or injured a base being knocked by a flier is far less dangerous than a flier landing on the ground. I don't care how you teach your fliers to land, if they don't practice catching themselves it is DANGEROUS, period. It's not a preferance it's safety!

I wanted to say this, but I was waiting for someone else b/c no lie, I had ALREADY said enough :-)

 

[yojaehs]

i love people who think that their way is the only way...it's been my experience that those who close themselves off to trying new ways of doing things and different techniques often begin to fall behind the rest of the industry and ultimately dissipate...Good Luck!

I can only speak on why it is that we do what we do...We don't have the flyers catch because:

i began to go step by step when I then realized...we've done plenty of research and trial and error on our part...if you believe you can do it better and safer than congrats and good luck :)

First let me say that I always have and always will respect your program as much if not more than ANY other program. Like I have said in other threads when people questioned the safety of your large coed pyramid catching, "If Victor is doing it then he and/or his staff figured out the safe technique to it". I am also sure that if yall are teaching your fliers to not catch, there is a reason. I have never taught that way and probably never will, but you are correct, there is always more than one way to do things. But do let me say this, TG is an elite program with elite staff and I believe NOT catching needs to ONLY be taught elite staff. My response to this thread was immediate bc the only thing I could vision was a flier falling straight through a cradle and some new coach reading this thread and thinking they could teach the "TG" way and get away with it, (Similar to a new coach trying to teach your pyramid catch). I want to end again by saying I have the highest level of respect of TG and the groundbreaking things they do and if anyone looks to copy thier techniques that is awesome just PLEASE make sure you are properly trained. Also Drkilluzionz for my own knowledge I'd love a breakdown of the how's and why's. Feel free to PM :)