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I accidently ran into 2 girls and got the comment "they really do think they run this place" i even apologized for running into to them.
When you're at a big gym, people really do judge you over the stupidiest things. A lady even COMPLAINED to my mom that one of our teams was SOOOOOOOO rude because we PURPOSELY competed at cheersport to scare her daughters team....................................................................................................................................................................................yes we brought 24 teams to cheersport to scare ONE team............
like last year a certain gym that told my team "you all still did great" after we got 10th place, had some parents this year be really snotty to my old gym. I'm just saying don't judge a gym by a group of parents or what you THINK someone is saying. Just because someone gives your team a dirty look doesnt mean they think you cheated or bribed the judges.
and as I told you sunday night, your kids could not have been more gracious at awards.big programs have feelings too! people forget that..
Well since I'm the only one talking about sandbagging I should probably clarify... My kids aren't new to this. My 12 y/o is in her 7th season, my 14 y/o is in his fourth. They're also very knowledgeable about the sport. It's not like I pointed it out.
I definitely think the coaches should limit their warm up tumbling if only for muscle memory. Allowing them to warm up skills above the level they're about to compete is not wise. These kids were level 5, they're used to level 5 and in the case of the one team...they didn't win (I'm sure) because they did throw an illegal pass. They connected two punch fronts which is legal at 5 but illegal at 3. If you're warming it up, you should warm up what you need to throw in the routine, not what you CAN throw.I actually wasn't directing this toward you and I'm truly sorry and apologize if you took it that way. Currently there are several parents referring to sandbagging, biased judging, and confusing scoring at Cheersport on several threads. I, personally, feel it serves no purpose other than to minimize a win or a loss that all of these kids/teams work extremely hard for.
A level one mom from our gym shared your sentiment as to why level one crossovers needed to throw their backtucks in the warm up area. She said it served no purpose other than to intimidate the other teams. I will agree with the two of you on that issue. As long as they are going to allow multi level crossovers, they should be limited to throwing the level skill they are going to be competing in the warm up room. I think this is an issue gym owners and coaches need to discuss with the EP's.
THIS. It's like those of us at big gyms are open to so much more criticism. When I first moved to my gym, one of my friends said "oh but they're all snobby and have no sportsmanship" which is not true! Being at a big gym doesn't mean any of that....so annoyingI accidently ran into 2 girls and got the comment "they really do think they run this place" i even apologized for running into to them.
When you're at a big gym, people really do judge you over the stupidiest things. A lady even COMPLAINED to my mom that one of our teams was SOOOOOOOO rude because we PURPOSELY competed at cheersport to scare her daughters team....................................................................................................................................................................................yes we brought 24 teams to cheersport to scare ONE team............
like last year a certain gym that told my team "you all still did great" after we got 10th place, had some parents this year be really snotty to my old gym. I'm just saying don't judge a gym by a group of parents or what you THINK someone is saying. Just because someone gives your team a dirty look doesnt mean they think you cheated or bribed the judges.
I was so impressed at the sportsmanship at Cheersport. This was my team's first year ever going to compete so as a small gym we only had myself, the other coach, and some loyal parents who made the trip to stand in front and cheer for us. After making friends in the warm up room on day one, day two one of their team moms got ALL of their fans to come cheer for us so we had a full crowd. It was simply amazing!
Shout out to Full House All Stars <3
I was so impressed at the sportsmanship at Cheersport. This was my team's first year ever going to compete so as a small gym we only had myself, the other coach, and some loyal parents who made the trip to stand in front and cheer for us. After making friends in the warm up room on day one, day two one of their team moms got ALL of their fans to come cheer for us so we had a full crowd. It was simply amazing!
Shout out to Full House All Stars <3
Unfortunately Sandbagging is not illegal and we have been told this by a coach who we knew their team did it. As for sportmanship, it happens at all comps- at 1 comp recently a team who was competing after us was in vip line and blocked us from getting to the stage area to watch our team. Not one parent was at the front when they music started, the kids were freaking out along with our coach who competes on the team. We screamed can you please move so we can watch our kids and they looked like we were crazy for asking! Sometimes it is the parents who are in the wrong.I was very pleased with the sportsmanship, however, I know there are incidents out there. I hate to say it but, I think the kids are better at letting things roll off their shoulders than the parents with scoring. The kids are fine until they hear their parents talk about "confusing scoring", "biased judges", "sandbagging", etc. I know a few of our parents made comments in our parent room about a gym who has "sandbagged" a Jr. lvl 2 team for the past few years. I hope it was not our gym, our owners would be very upset along with the 99.5% of parents. What some parents have decided is "sandbagging", is actually an allowance so small gyms can build teams from a small number of kids. Agree or disagree, it is not illegal. Cp is at a large gym and often it is new parents that don't understand the logic of the rules. My feelings are, until they change the rules it doesn't help your child or their team to harp about it. The rules on team tumbling and ages changed slightly last year to help accomodate some of the issues people had concerning "sandbagging".
If you noticed a particular gym that had horrible sportsmanship, I would email the owner, I know ours would want the opportunity to address the issue.
Sandbagging to me is winning level 5 and then competing level 2, which we witnessed. I think that should of been addressed more so than not wearing Uggs at comps!FWIW, we don't go to Cheersport (too far), but in terms of "sandbagging", I have a somewhat different view of the subject this year now that we dropped some of our gym's down a level during the season. We have a few kids that can throw tumbling at a higher level than the team they're on. (and sometimes throw that tumbling on teams that they crossover on) But there were decisions made during the season that it was in the best interest of the entire team - not just the few top performers - to drop a level.
Has it worked out? For the most part. The teams in question are far more competitive now than they were earlier in the year. But I would hope that if one of these kids happens to throw a higher-level tumbling pass in warmups that it's not interpreted as some kind of intimidation tactic. I can pretty much guarantee you that it isn't.
Look, it's one thing if an entire team is competitive in one division and then suddenly drops down a level for a single major competition. I can see where people might be frustrated by that. But I've learned this year that not every instance of "sandbagging" is what it seems.
i have never experienced negativity from athletes at comps, only parents. which i think is very unfortunate because it reflects upon the gym. every comp we are at with this one gym, the parents are so freaking nasty i am to the point now that i hate sitting near them.
Not sure this fits here - but yesterday at the BATC I witnessed a real"Dance Mom" moment between two moms from the same gym! Right out in the hall between team rooms, these moms started a heated conversation that escalated to hitting and three adults had to pull them apart. I can only imaging what message this is sending to the kids with regard to sprotsmanship, or even human decent behavior. I will NEVER look at that team the same way again though I hope this was an isolated thing for them.That makes me so sad because kids learn from their parents :(
Wow!Not sure this fits here - but yesterday at the BATC I witnessed a real"Dance Mom" moment between two moms from the same gym! Right out in the hall between team rooms, these moms started a heated conversation that escalated to hitting and three adults had to pull them apart. I can only imaging what message this is sending to the kids with regard to sprotsmanship, or even human decent behavior. I will NEVER look at that team the same way again though I hope this was an isolated thing for them.