All-Star Covid-19 / Varsity Response

[kayemm]

Very interesting... so technically the team competing at worlds isn't the team that earned the bid? How do roster changes work because what if a good portion of the team doesn't come back the next season, but they are tied to the bid?
Also, if the season doesn't pick up until Feb/March then how are you in peak shape by worlds since that is the start of the season. Never thought about international seasons being a year behind in bid process.

Ok so I had a vague idea of the answer but I went and looked it up to get the official wording and check I'm not spreading misinformation :)

IASF split their countries in to "season 1" or "season 2" countries depending on when their competition season runs, so Canada is a season 1 country and the UK is a season 2. For season 2 countries, a minimum of 50% of the team must have been registered on the team during the season where the bid was won.
From the official guidance "A minimum of 50% of the athletes participating on a team at The IASF Worlds must be a registered member of that team’s gym during the competition season in which the bid was received. On The IASF Cheerleading Worlds Roster, each athlete’s name of the 50% will have to be identified as an original participant of the team who competed on the floor where the bid was received, a substitute or an alternate. Names on the team rosters will be verified by the event producer who awarded the Worlds bid"

There are a few competitions earlier in the season so teams usually start training around August/September time and you'd expect the Worlds teams to be putting out their Worlds ready routines at the competitions in February/March. Some of the Worlds teams might start training earlier than others but I wouldn't know. Most teams will only have competed their routines a handful of times before Worlds.

The bid giving events in the UK take place in March, May, June and July.

 

[JerseyGirl112]

North Jersey here!! I mean stay home beside work or food shopping. I go out one day a week to food shop and run any other errands -like prescriptions. I mean people who are still trying to go on the board walk or getting crazy staying at home. I just feel like the less we are out now the quicker we will be back To somewhat normal.

North Jersey here as well, I agree. I went to our local walking trail over the weekend and it was packed. You couldn't even get 6 feet of distance on the path. I have friends that all went to a house party on the lake Saturday. People are not taking this as seriously as they should up here and I dont see stay at home order being lifted in this area any time soon unless something changes. I cant speak for south jersey, but I dont see our northern gyms being able to open by June. I just dont. And for context, Im closer to PA then I am to NYC so Im not in the hot spot so to speak.

 

[MomMomMamaMom]

So the IHME just updated projections, delaying the date by which Florida is “ready” for relaxed social distancing by one week, which puts it to the date of opening during the new summit. It seems fairly evident that the state itself is not going by this, so WDW may not either, though I’m not sure. What I am curious about is if states that are utilizing this model will implement measures like quarantines etc for travelers to other areas based on it. I’ve not seen any literature either way, and it isn’t something I’d necessarily expect... but I could see travel warnings etc. coming into play.

 

[UCFKnights07]

I can see a soft opening come sometime in June probably before July, or worst case scenario opening in August when all the kids go back to school and general attendance numbers tend to go down. I get the overall worry is a re-spike in cases come flu season at the end of the year. But the fact that people genuinely think these parks will stay closed for the remainder of the year clearly have never taken a business/finance class.....

 

[MomMomMamaMom]

I can see a soft opening come sometime in June probably before July, or worst case scenario opening in August when all the kids go back to school and general attendance numbers tend to go down. I get the overall worry is a re-spike in cases come flu season at the end of the year. But the fact that people genuinely think these parks will stay closed for the remainder of the year clearly have never taken a business/finance class.....

yes, like I said @ some point I believe that the Summit and also some volleyball tournament will be the soft opening. I worry about their commitment to the date ranges though. However, DeSantis just went to the Whitehouse and doubled down on his plans. Since he’s entering Phase 1, late June seems a long way off for Phase 2.

 

[CLynn]

I can see a soft opening come sometime in June probably before July, or worst case scenario opening in August when all the kids go back to school and general attendance numbers tend to go down. I get the overall worry is a re-spike in cases come flu season at the end of the year. But the fact that people genuinely think these parks will stay closed for the remainder of the year clearly have never taken a business/finance class.....

I do not think this has anything to do with understanding business. You do not need to be a financial whiz to understand that shutting the economy means personal and financial ruin for businesses large and small, states, municipalities etc and the longer it goes on the worse it gets. If anyone can adapt quickly and smartly it is Disney but their very business is the antithesis of "social distancing". As many states try to restart their economies they are still making efforts to limit density so I see warning signs even with a soft opening. I understand the desire to open parks in limited capacity to local, then in state people but to welcome us from NY, NJ, international etc when we can't even go to our town pool? That might be asking for trouble... but I guess time will tell!

 

[UCFKnights07]

I do not think this has anything to do with understanding business. You do not need to be a financial whiz to understand that shutting the economy means personal and financial ruin for businesses large and small, states, municipalities etc and the longer it goes on the worse it gets. If anyone can adapt quickly and smartly it is Disney but their very business is the antithesis of "social distancing". As many states try to restart their economies they are still making efforts to limit density so I see warning signs even with a soft opening. I understand the desire to open parks in limited capacity to local, then in state people but to welcome us from NY, NJ, international etc when we can't even go to our town pool? That might be asking for trouble... but I guess time will tell!

My point being is that people think that the parks can stay closed all year and still afford to pay their full time employees and salaried and offer benefits... I can't see that happening. Do I want parks to stay closed for the remainder of the year, no. Florida cant even handle the unemployment numbers as is, people who should qualify are being denied. People still waiting for something even after approval, etc. I dont think they want to add a couple more thousand people to their problems. I dont personally want to see florida's economy go to sh*t if it can be avoided.
Nevermind the fact that disney/universal are still businesses trying to line their pockets, greed is greed. If they can reopen and stay open they are going to try and do so.

 

[Nothanks]

From a business perspective, they also have to weigh the risk of reopening prematurely and being called out for adding to the re-spike, even if they did have "less than normal capacity, sanitizing guidelines, etc" in place. That could be more detrimental in the long run to the future of their business than making sure things are handled in a way to severely lessen that risk. Unfortunately for some cases, neither option has a positive outcome.

 

[CLynn]

My point being is that people think that the parks can stay closed all year and still afford to pay their full time employees and salaried and offer benefits... I can't see that happening.

Oh on that I agree!

 

[123jump4!]

The 3 biggest gyms in our area are not going to the Summit. Good.

 

[catlady]

My point being is that people think that the parks can stay closed all year and still afford to pay their full time employees and salaried and offer benefits... I can't see that happening. Do I want parks to stay closed for the remainder of the year, no. Florida cant even handle the unemployment numbers as is, people who should qualify are being denied. People still waiting for something even after approval, etc. I dont think they want to add a couple more thousand people to their problems. I dont personally want to see florida's economy go to sh*t if it can be avoided.
Nevermind the fact that disney/universal are still businesses trying to line their pockets, greed is greed. If they can reopen and stay open they are going to try and do so.

My husband is in commercial finance for a large bank. For the second round of loans, they are throttling the system so large banks can't get all the loans. I understand the logic but, they also have the staff to crank out these loans so people get their money faster. In the process of trying to make things "fair" for businesses, the people and businesses that really need it are left waiting.

Along that note, my neighbor is a furloughed Dr and we were talking about how the death numbers were overwhelming ages 65-100 with underlying conditions. He said, "The stimulus package funds the CARES act which is providing 20% more money to hospitals for Medicare (age 65+ qualifies) COVID19 patients. <link> CDC cause of death form. <link> He said in the past, if someone died of a heart attack in the flu season and had a history of heart disease, most doctors would just put heart disease as the cause of death unless the patient was specifically in the hospital for the flu first and then they'd put it down as a secondary cause. Now, the person that dies of a heart attack, has COVID19 listed as a possible secondary cause. He said, the majority of people with underlying conditions generally die from a secondary cause, such as the flu, a virus or pneumonia, there just wasn't money tied to it. He said the hospitals need that money since they don't have their elective surgery income and that's what the additional money is for, but it's also creating an elevated death toll for COVID19 for ages 65-100, that otherwise would not exist if it weren't for the additional money given. Logical.

 

[MomMomMamaMom]

Along that note, my neighbor is a furloughed Dr and we were talking about how the death numbers were overwhelming ages 65-100 with underlying conditions. He said, "The stimulus package funds the CARES act which is providing 20% more money to hospitals for Medicare (age 65+ qualifies) COVID19 patients. <link> CDC cause of death form. <link> He said in the past, if someone died of a heart attack in the flu season and had a history of heart disease, most doctors would just put heart disease as the cause of death unless the patient was specifically in the hospital for the flu first and then they'd put it down as a secondary cause. Now, the person that dies of a heart attack, has COVID19 listed as a possible secondary cause. He said, the majority of people with underlying conditions generally die from a secondary cause, such as the flu, a virus or pneumonia, there just wasn't money tied to it. He said the hospitals need that money since they don't have their elective surgery income and that's what the additional money is for, but it's also creating an elevated death toll for COVID19 for ages 65-100, that otherwise would not exist if it weren't for the additional money given. Logical.

The CDC goes back, retroactively and examines death certificates including flu and flu like causes of deaths in their annual influenza reports. Real time flu numbers don’t include non-hospital deaths either, they have to go back and add those as well. So yeah, including them now may seem to be “inflating” the numbers, but really isn’t. It is instead giving presumptive numbers so that it can be tracked compared to prior flu seasons. No doubt that some numbers will disappear. But in general comparative deaths are high compared to previous years in many areas, suggesting some undercount. The idea that it is being done for funding isn’t as simple as that. There does need to be additional funding in a pandemic... but there are sound reasons to keep track of numbers this way. Namely to know the parameters of what the virus is doing in real time.

 

[icequeen]

I saw a post on instagram with a screenshot of a letter supposedly Varsity sent terminating DJ from their media department and forcing him to turn over control of the Cheerupdates account to two other individuals named but were blacked out. I have no idea he had a contract with Varsity but it’s not surprising.

 

[luv2cheer92]

I saw a post on instagram with a screenshot of a letter supposedly Varsity sent terminating DJ from their media department and forcing him to turn over control of the Cheerupdates account to two other individuals named but were blacked out. I have no idea he had a contract with Varsity but it’s not surprising.

I believe that was fake.

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[catlady]

The CDC goes back, retroactively and examines death certificates including flu and flu like causes of deaths in their annual influenza reports. Real time flu numbers don’t include non-hospital deaths either, they have to go back and add those as well. So yeah, including them now may seem to be “inflating” the numbers, but really isn’t. It is instead giving presumptive numbers so that it can be tracked compared to prior flu seasons. No doubt that some numbers will disappear. But in general comparative deaths are high compared to previous years in many areas, suggesting some undercount. The idea that it is being done for funding isn’t as simple as that. There does need to be additional funding in a pandemic... but there are sound reasons to keep track of numbers this way. Namely to know the parameters of what the virus is doing in real time.

I would agree if the certificate states "flu or flu like causes," but reread my statement above. The CDC has no reason to investigate a certificate where flu like causes aren't listed at all. According to my neighbor, Dr's have no reason to speculate or guess a secondary illness they weren't told about or didn't test for. Most elderly patients (65+) are coding en route to the hospital or in critical condition, so those deaths are generally documented based on their history of underlying condition and cause of death. Example: Hypertension/Stroke. Now they are documenting all as possible COVID19 on older patients that die and it is a logical possibility but, it is also providing the hospital with a 20% more medicare payment if it's COVID19. There's no conspiracy theory, there was just never money tied to "speculating" a secondary cause such as flu, virus, or pneumonia and putting it down on a death certificate unless it was information specifically given to them by family or through testing. Now they have 20% more reason. Money always skews data.

ETA: Here's a 2017 US Census article about our elderly and the historic rise in death rates:
As Population Ages, U.S. Nears Historic Increase in Deaths