All-Star Giving More Than One Bid To The Same Program

[retiredl5cheer]

I thought it was the same situation as GSSA where the paid bid receipient was out scored.

American won the division over Black Ops but Black Ops took home the paid bid. However, GSSA bases their bids on the Super Six competition, so division placement kind of goes out the window.

 

[p.o.k.]

I haven't heard anything about that, but it could have happened. Maybe since it was one all girl and one coed, one of the others scored higher, I have no idea.

The GSSA situation happened I was at the comp. I was curious if it also happened in Vegas.

American won the division over Black Ops but Black Ops took home the paid bid. However, GSSA bases their bids on the Super Six competition, so division placement kind of goes out the window.

I know that, I was there, however you would have to be pretty short sighted that competitors would not find this a concern in the grand scheme of things.

 

[luv2cheer92]

The GSSA situation happened I was at the comp. I was curious if it also happened in Vegas.


I know that, I was there, however you would have to be pretty short sighted that competitors would not find this a concern in the grand scheme of things.

I was referring to the Vegas comp.

 

[retiredl5cheer]

The GSSA situation happened I was at the comp. I was curious if it also happened in Vegas.


I know that, I was there, however you would have to be pretty short sighted that competitors would not find this a concern in the grand scheme of things.

Sorry, I'm not really paying attention while reading obviously.

 

[blunchin]

the event producers have a right to give out the bids how they see fit, however like others previously stated, the bid process needs to be advertised in advance. if it goes by top scores, then if gym xyz has the two highest scoring teams, they should get the bids. i think the frustration can go both ways...someone is upset because the bids went to the same program but the program with the highest scoring teams now have to explain to their kids that they couldn't get the bid because of the uniform they're wearing which isn't fair either. i wonder...do people get upset when there are only 2 bids available or are they equally upset at a competition with 4+ bids as well?

 

[Mr May]

I can't a speak for Gssa bc I was not there, but nothing was odd in Vegas about bids. They stated that the highest scoring non international coed team would receive one paid bid and the the highest scoring non international all girl team would receive the next paid bid. In this situation, according to the scores they posted it was both Cali teams. I personally believe based on performances aces should have had the all girl paid bid though.

I too have no problem with bids based on scores. I do not care for bids based on choice. In my opinion it makes the whole competition a sham. If you know who your bids are going to why do they have to compete for it, if the outcome of the competition ultimately doesn't matter? That to me is a short sighted business model as people will say what's the point in the long run. I also have never chosen to take a program to a competition based on any previous years worlds winners or medalers(not a word) getting their bid at that comp. just food for thought.

 

[mstealtoyou]

It is true that Top Gun gave away a paid bid to Cheer Extreme...because they believed it was the right thing to do by scores given? Kind of classy thing
...kudos to you Top Gun.

I know people are sick of hearing about it but yes....they did as Cheer Dad said......it was something special to watch. I've been watching team's get World bids since 2006 and I've never seen anything like it.

Edited to say I was told the ASC rule about not giving bids to the same program was a marketing tool used many years ago to get more programs to come to their competition as Rays were local and also the natural favorite due to their high level teams and the ability of their teams to represent them very well in April.

I'm in the camp of not caring how they're awarded as long as it's clearly stated for all teams going into it.

 

[garretttt]

This is one of the reasons why stingrays took marietta to WSF. more summit and worlds bid opportunities.

 

[mstealtoyou]

This is one of the reasons why stingrays took marietta to WSF. more summit and worlds bid opportunities.

It was smart........

 

[ACEDAD]

I'm fine with the EP's choice, but I'm very opposed to skipping over a team to do it.

So if there are 8 worlds divisions and the EP wants to give bids to the first and second place finishers in one division? I'm okay with that.

If they want to give it to two different first place finishers? I'm okay with that.

If one of the first place teams has a paid bid and they want to give it to the second place team? I'm okay with that.

But to skip over a first place team without a paid bid and award it to the second place team? That's a load of BS and shouldn't be done by an EP or allowed by any governing body. If this can be done, what's the point of the competition? ASC could just mail the check directly to the winners and save us all a lot of time, money and heartache.

 

[p.o.k.]

I'm fine with the EP's choice, but I'm very opposed to skipping over a team to do it.

So if there are 8 worlds divisions and the EP wants to give bids to the first and second place finishers in one division? I'm okay with that.

If they want to give it to two different first place finishers? I'm okay with that.

If one of the first place teams has a paid bid and they want to give it to the second place team? I'm okay with that.

But to skip over a first place team without a paid bid and award it to the second place team? That's a load of BS and shouldn't be done by an EP or allowed by any governing body. If this can be done, what's the point of the competition? ASC could just mail the check directly to the winners and save us all a lot of time, money and heartache.

I said the same thing in another thread because essentially that happened in San Jose too. (EP choice). Many comments back were that it is what the EP felt would be a better representation for them at worlds - which in my opinion comes off as shady and reminiscent of a back room deal. I don't care if the only reason the team in second was because of a penalty - the second place team was second because they scored lower and that is it.

At some point the awarding of a full paid bid becomes an audition and not a competition of the best that day. Why should it be based on history when the team changes season to season? There are enough invitationals where teams can rest on their laurels.

 

[luv2cheer92]

I said the same thing in another thread because essentially that happened San Jose too. (EP choice). Many comments back were that it is what the EP felt would be a better representation at worlds - which in my opinion comes off as shady and reminiscent of a back room deal. I don't care if the only reason the team in second was because of a penalty - the second place team was second because they scored lower and that is it.

At some point the awarding of a full paid bid becomes an audition and not a competition of the best that day. Why should it be based on history when the team changes season to season? There are enough invitationals where teams can rest on their laurels.

I completely agree that a team should not get skipped over. I think one of the reasons I personally feel slightly different about GSSA is that since the scores from the first two performances were erased and had the super six performances been scored, Black Ops had a good chance of scoring higher. I just feel like since it was solely based off that one performance and the scores are unknown, it makes it a little tricky to judge how the EP is deciding. Idk, just trying to look at it from a different angle.


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[p.o.k.]

I completely agree that a team should not get skipped over. I think one of the reasons I personally feel slightly different about GSSA is that since the scores from the first two performances were erased and had the super six performances been scored, Black Ops had a good chance of scoring higher. I just feel like since it was solely based off that one performance and the scores are unknown, it makes it a little tricky to judge how the EP is deciding. Idk, just trying to look at it from a different angle.


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There are problems with this whole super six scenario at this comp. How were raw scores set where deductions were taken from? In some cases they made no sense. So say a team that drops 2 stunts day 1 and 4 on day 2 still makes it to super six- sort of seems implausible and it was not because of their difficulty or because all of the other teams sucked. I was there and some of the scoring just made no sense. At that point then the whole bid criteria becomes questionable.

 

[CheerBank]

This doesn't just exist with World's bids - cp's Jr 3 had this happen to them at a US Finals bid comp last season. Her team finished in 1st and as Level 3 Grand Champs. Full paid bid to US Finals right? Nope. EP awarded it to our Sr 4 team who came in second in their division and to our Special Needs team, which was a lovely gesture except that Special Needs teams already competed for free at US Finals.

 

[retiredl5cheer]

This doesn't just exist with World's bids - cp's Jr 3 had this happen to them at a US Finals bid comp last season. Her team finished in 1st and as Level 3 Grand Champs. Full paid bid to US Finals right? Nope. EP awarded it to our Sr 4 team who came in second in their division and to our Special Needs team, which was a lovely gesture except that Special Needs teams already competed for free at US Finals.

Did your S4 have a higher score than your J3? We've had second place teams receive full paid bids before because the first place team already had one and our team (in second) was the next highest score.