All-Star Icu Worlds Questions

[paintdog1]

I was wondering why the USA never seems to enter a team in the All Girl Elite division. In addition, the announcers repeatedly mentioned that premier was the highest level of cheer, and although some of the top teams were good, I thought the overall level was not as good as younger all star teams that I have seen. Any help?
Thanks!

 

[AshleyErin]

I don't know why they never entered, I feel like it may be because their team was mainly composed of college athletes, but now they must choose only one level for coed and all girl, so I would assume they will stick to premier.


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[kristenthegreat]

I'm sure the US could, hypothetically, field a team in every division if they chose, and they'd be exceptional in all. I like that they stick to one level so they're not monopolizing the event (considering it's always held here as well).

 

[gofriars610]

Why the h e double hockey sticks is it called "premier" and "elite" ? That tells the spectator nothing about what is actually being competed. They might as well call it "superawesome" and "fantastic" divisions.

 

[kristenthegreat]

Why the h e double hockey sticks is it called "premier" and "elite" ? That tells the spectator nothing about what is actually being competed. They might as well call it "superawesome" and "fantastic" divisions.

No idea. I mean, I get they couldn't call it 'level 6' or 'level 5' because those are all-star divisions.

I guess it was the closest thing to saying 'this is 'good' college level' and 'this is hard but not as hard'.

 

[retiredl5cheer]

No idea. I mean, I get they couldn't call it 'level 6' or 'level 5' because those are all-star divisions.

I guess it was the closest thing to saying 'this is 'good' college level' and 'this is hard but not as hard'.

I would have preferred "Intermediate" and "Advanced," because at least you can understand which is harder.

 

[paintdog1]

I'm sure the US could, hypothetically, field a team in every division if they chose, and they'd be exceptional in all. I like that they stick to one level so they're not monopolizing the event (considering it's always held here as well).

I actually thought that might be the case. It doesn't serve the USA or cheerleading when we win every event every time out. I still believe the reporting from the ICU may have been skewed regarding the ability level of the event.
Thanks for your response!

 

[paintdog1]

No idea. I mean, I get they couldn't call it 'level 6' or 'level 5' because those are all-star divisions.

I guess it was the closest thing to saying 'this is 'good' college level' and 'this is hard but not as hard'.

I hope this doesn't sound mean, but some of the squads were downright remedial. I understand many countries still don't have good instruction or facilities, but girls were falling all over themselves during the broadcast. Still, it's fun to watch cheerleaders from other countries participate. They seem to have a blast even when they don't do well.

 

[paintdog1]

I would have preferred "Intermediate" and "Advanced," because at least you can understand which is harder.

Very good point!

 

[chyeeaaa69]

The ICU (as of last year) now only allows each country to enter one coed and one all girl team. My guess as to why the USA enters Premier is because the athletes who would excel in Elite would not be able to do the same type of training that those who do Premier can, and if they used the athletes who CAN take that two weeks away from school/life/allstar to train for Elite, it would be a waste of their exceptional level 6 abilities.
I've also always thought (until last year when Canada entered in all 4 divisions) that the USA was kinda just leaving all girl and coed Elite to Canada and they were dominating Premier.

 

[Glamorazzi44]

Thank you @paintdog1 for making this thread!

I was gonna wait until after ICU worlds to ask this question but here it is anyway: Can someone please explain to me how team USA coed premier is allowed to get away without a tumbling pass section and a dance at the end of the routine? Every other premier team has these sections and somehow team USA can get away with it.....

 

[NJ Coach]

Thank you @paintdog1 for making this thread!

I was gonna wait until after ICU worlds to ask this question but here it is anyway: Can someone please explain to me how team USA coed premier is allowed to get away without a tumbling pass section and a dance at the end of the routine? Every other premier team has these sections and somehow team USA can get away with it.....

I have no idea what the ICU scoresheets look like. Is there a specific dance section they are scored on? As far as tumble pass, they open with standing...and have multiple running passes throughout the routine. If they can hit the scoresheet with that, they wouldn't need a dedicated section. But, again, I have no clue what the ICU scoresheet looks like.

 

[Ems]

Thank you @paintdog1 for making this thread!

I was gonna wait until after ICU worlds to ask this question but here it is anyway: Can someone please explain to me how team USA coed premier is allowed to get away without a tumbling pass section and a dance at the end of the routine? Every other premier team has these sections and somehow team USA can get away with it.....

Here's the scoresheet, it's the same for all cheer divisions:
http://www.cheerunion.org/aspnet_cl...ents/WCC/ICU_Scoresheet_WCC-CheerDivision.pdf
Tumbling is focused on group tumbling, difficulty, execution, and synchronization. And since USA coed has everyone but I think 4 guys in the back doing very well executed 2 to fulls, there's really no reason to add in a running tumbling section. The scoresheet is super weighted on stunting which is why they have I think 3 pyramid sections and at least 2 partner stunts.
In terms of dance, since it falls under "overall presentation, crowd appeal, and dance" for 10 points, I don't know whether a dance is optional or they decided they'd rather take the hit and focus more on stunts.

 

[Jule]

As far as I know from last year, the dance is optional. I've seen most all girl teams dance while the coed teams rather add some more stunting. Those college aged stunters mostly don't really love the whole dancing part anyway, well at least over here it's like that.
Even on our club team, the guys were begging me to choreograph them out of the dance and have them throw baskets in the back. ;) :D

 

[Sharkie]

to answer the question about why it's called elite and premier. a very long time ago, before everyone was using the numbers to call the levels, they were beginner, intermediate, advanced...elite for what's now level 5 and premier for what's now level 6.
Several teams who still have elite in their groupnames have those from the time the current level 5 was still called elite (think senior elite).
i dont remember the exact order and all the names, i know it has been discussed here several years ago.

i guess they decided to use those to make a difference between the allstar team competition and the national team competition.