High School If You Could Magically Have Three Rule Changes...

[Kentucky Girl]

What about flipping basket tosses such as the back tuck basket?

 

[OldskoolKYcheercoach]

What about flipping basket tosses such as the back tuck basket?

Id guess we are much closer to an outright ban on baskets than we are loosening any restrictions on them.

 

[ScottyB]

Id guess we are much closer to an outright ban on baskets than we are loosening any restrictions on them.

We threw 7 total baskets all season last year as an all girl squad. Wasn't needed on scoresheets so we did a couple at practice to do a couple at a football game lol.

 

[coacha]

We threw 7 total baskets all season last year as an all girl squad. Wasn't needed on scoresheets so we did a couple at practice to do a couple at a football game lol.

Coed squad here and we threw exactly zero.

Our track is cinder so we aren’t legally allowed to throw them at home football games and illegal on basketball courts, and useless on scoresheet for competitions, so in my mind they aren’t worth the amount of practice time for us.

 

[OldskoolKYcheercoach]

We threw 7 total baskets all season last year as an all girl squad. Wasn't needed on scoresheets so we did a couple at practice to do a couple at a football game lol.

I haven’t taught one in three years. Too much risk, not enough reward.

 

[retiredl5cheer]

I haven’t taught one in three years. Too much risk, not enough reward.

Do most of your kids come up through the school system or do they come from all star teams? I'm just curious whether you'll graduate kids who have literally never thrown or flown a basket toss. How do you think that will impact college teams and/or their ability to make college teams? Not an attack, I'm just wondering whether the removal of baskets from the UCA scoresheet will ultimately affect college teams' ability to do them down the road.

 

[OldskoolKYcheercoach]

Do most of your kids come up through the school system or do they come from all star teams? I'm just curious whether you'll graduate kids who have literally never thrown or flown a basket toss. How do you think that will impact college teams and/or their ability to make college teams? Not an attack, I'm just wondering whether the removal of baskets from the UCA scoresheet will ultimately affect college teams' ability to do them down the road.

Less than 10% of my current team came from an all star background.

I don’t see a high percentage of colleges using baskets as a make or break skill at tryouts.

If they do, they are setting themselves up to miss out on some extra talented kids who have likely never done them before.

I think it’s MUCH better for a girl to wait to learn baskets at the collegiate level than to waste her time doing those damn kick fulls and kick doubles in all stars. There’s no translation between having a kick double and being able to do a laid out double twist in a collegiate basket.

If a girl is an adequate, aggressive top, she will likely quickly progress up the basket ladder to whatever level of tumble skill she has. Example, a girl with a strong tuck tumbling, who is an aggressive top, will likely quickly learn a solid tuck basket. A girl with a tumbling layout or tumbling full, will likely quickly get to those skills in baskets.

 

[FamousxMindset]

Less than 10% of my current team came from an all star background.

I don’t see a high percentage of colleges using baskets as a make or break skill at tryouts.

If they do, they are setting themselves up to miss out on some extra talented kids who have likely never done them before.

I think it’s MUCH better for a girl to wait to learn baskets at the collegiate level than to waste her time doing those damn kick fulls and kick doubles in all stars. There’s no translation between having a kick double and being able to do a laid out double twist in a collegiate basket.

If a girl is an adequate, aggressive top, she will likely quickly progress up the basket ladder to whatever level of tumble skill she has. Example, a girl with a strong tuck tumbling, who is an aggressive top, will likely quickly learn a solid tuck basket. A girl with a tumbling layout or tumbling full, will likely quickly get to those skills in baskets.

I disagree here, I think baskets are one of the best tools to teach flyers body control/awareness, and find their center of gravity.

 

[OldskoolKYcheercoach]

I disagree here, I think baskets are one of the best tools to teach flyers body control/awareness, and find their center of gravity.

So you’d teach a basket to a top who can’t stand up aggressively in an extension, and then control herself in a tight body position into a cradle?

Baskets are not a tool to teach a kid anything. They should already have air awareness and body control prior to doing a basket.

Another fallacy of the all star world that treats baskets like they’re some kind of fundamental skill. There’s absolutely no excuse for any kid under middle school age to be doing a basket. Their knowledge of the technique, ability to anticipate things that could go wrong, athletic ability to be aggressive and quick with their hands, etc is not up to par for doing baskets correctly. Go to any all star competition and watch the younger kids that perform baskets, you’ll see FAR more thrown with poor technique than you will thrown with average technique, and the number of excellent ones willl be in the low single digits.

 

[FamousxMindset]

So you’d teach a basket to a top who can’t stand up aggressively in an extension, and then control herself in a tight body position into a cradle?

I have used a modified basket to teach new/younger flyers how to fully ride a cradle and what it should feel like yes.

 

[OldskoolKYcheercoach]

I have used a modified basket to teach new/younger flyers how to fully ride a cradle and what it should feel like yes.

Well that’s backwards, and depending on what you mean by “modified” inherently dangerous.

 

[FamousxMindset]

Well that’s backwards, and depending on what you mean by “modified” inherently dangerous.

It's not backwards or inherently dangerous it's just not your preferred style which doesn't make it wrong by default. Thank you reminding why I dislike you, have a great Monday.

 

[OldskoolKYcheercoach]

It's not backwards or inherently dangerous it's just not your preferred style which doesn't make it wrong by default. Thank you reminding why I dislike you, have a great Monday.

AACCA would disagree with you. Straight up extension cradle is the proper progression for a basket toss. Try a certification course or two.

Thank you for reminding me why I don’t give a frigg if people like me.

 

[ScottyB]

Do most of your kids come up through the school system or do they come from all star teams? I'm just curious whether you'll graduate kids who have literally never thrown or flown a basket toss. How do you think that will impact college teams and/or their ability to make college teams? Not an attack, I'm just wondering whether the removal of baskets from the UCA scoresheet will ultimately affect college teams' ability to do them down the road.

On my team in college, the girls all learned baskets at varying progressions. Camp, choreographers, and our coaches all helped. We would know if a girl would possibly be good at baskets by their tumbling and their body control while stunting.

It's not backwards or inherently dangerous it's just not your preferred style which doesn't make it wrong by default. Thank you reminding why I dislike you, have a great Monday.

and unless I am mistaken about what you are describing (a video would be good..), you are going against known skill progressions with training like that. not saying it can't work but there are methods for teaching that 'feeling' that provide a safer environment for the bases and top.

 

[FamousxMindset]

On my team in college, the girls all learned baskets at varying progressions. Camp, choreographers, and our coaches all helped. We would know if a girl would possibly be good at baskets by their tumbling and their body control while stunting.

and unless I am mistaken about what you are describing (a video would be good..), you are going against known skill progressions with training like that. not saying it can't work but there are methods for teaching that 'feeling' that provide a safer environment for the bases and top.

Its not my only way of teaching, one of them which have shown great results and no casualties.