All-Star Large Senior And Worlds! If Only 3 Teams In The Division....

[cheerislove8]

i dont think that would play into it. wasnt it in ioc6 that there was no 3rd place?

Yeah, I know that wouldn't play a part, I just want all of them to move on hahaha :)

But are you referring to this year in IOC6? I thought we figured out that Texas Cheer ended up with a bronze globe in the end?

 

[werkktrabajartrabajar]

What about Cheerforce? I know they were offering discounts to girls with fulls and doubles to go large.. I wonder if they were successful?

 

[twistinitup]

Gold is very much large senior! :)

Are you sure? I just talked to one of my friends on Gold and she said they're medium.

 

[socratesofcheer]

they can't send 50% to finals, so I'd think USASF would have to send 2, meaning one of these teams would not compete in finals!

Would this be a correct assumption?

NO. See Below.

 

[socratesofcheer]

I thought that the NACCC was recommending that the top ten in each division made finals, regardless of division size. This would insure that CEA/WC/MT were in finals even if there were only 3-4 teams. This would also effectively create an incentive for teams to even out the distribution of teams among divisions. (want to go large senior in 2011 - automatically in finals!)

This also means fewer total performances, which allows things like: more divisions in the Field House (maybe all of finals?), more warmup time, possibly more seat availability, & possibly easier/more fair judging of finals.

There would be downsides as well. If you are in a huge division, this could dramatically decrease your chances of performing the final day.

I actually don't know what came out of that recommendation - I am not in the loop on very many decisions like this about Worlds.

I'm pretty sure that I've heard Steve Peterson mention that is the way he is leaning as well.

 

[icame2WERQ]

Personally, I love the large senior division, and i love what each team brings to the mat. I would not mind watching all of them in finals.

 

[garretttt]

Yeah, I know that wouldn't play a part, I just want all of them to move on hahaha :)

But are you referring to this year in IOC6? I thought we figured out that Texas Cheer ended up with a bronze globe in the end?

That was after though! Originally no 3rd was awarded!

 

[Cheerfan1234]

Is there a final word on the USASF only advancing the top 1o in EVERY division including small senior, or is this still up for deliberation? It blows my mind that wiping out a staggering 90% of the largest and most intense division in one fell swoop is something that is even up for debate. I do believe that it is very hard to judge this divison accurately, but this does not seem like a logical solution.

For one, this doesn't make a lot of sense from a financial standpoint. Worlds once seemed like an exclusive event, but we all know it has turned into a money-making behometh. Money is a good thing right? Business people like making millions of dollars, right? I doubt, especially in this economy, that anyone involved in this event would risk losing hundreds of thousands of dollars for the sake of making a division easier to judge. The majority of the teams that make the finals DESERVE to be there and STILL don't take home a globe or even make the top ten. For some teams, making the finals is a victory in itself and is the main reason they return the next year..to climb up that ladder to the top ten. If you take away this opportunity for 90% of the paying customers, you're also taking from them the incentive to return the following year. For truly talented teams, Worlds is way too expensive to be over in 2:30. Aditionally, most of the teams in the top three spots come from mega gyms, and a large majority of the teams that make top ten also have level five athletes in other divisions...So really this rule seems to benefit large gyms at the expense of most small ones.

A better solution? Fix the ridiculous way the random selection of the paid bid winners' order performance was organized this past year. If you want to place the best teams accurately, put the paid bids together at the end of the divison and pick THEIR order randomly. Don't have one paid winner perform at 12:30 in the afternoon and another perorm at 9:30 at night.

Another suggestion...Take the top 20, not the top 10 ....There are definitely 20 teams in this country that are good enough to make top ten, and twenty teams are not that hard to judge if they're placed in a closer time frame.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

I think before they decide on only the top 10, they need to see how many people that weren't in the top 10 after day one broke into the top 10 on day 2. I don't think anyone has ever medaled after not being in the top 10 day 1.

I personally think worlds is about the globes. Finals is about who is going to win. If you aren't going to even make top 10, chances are that you're not going to win. If youre not going to win, why compete again the next day.

 

[redsmom]

I think before they decide on only the top 10, they need to see how many people that weren't in the top 10 after day one broke into the top 10 on day 2. I don't think anyone has ever medaled after not being in the top 10 day 1.

I personally think worlds is about the globes. Finals is about who is going to win. If you aren't going to even make top 10, chances are that you're not going to win. If youre not going to win, why compete again the next day.

Rockstar went from 17th to 3rd is small limited this year.

 

[BlueCat]

No matter what the cutoff point is (10, 20, 5), there are going to potentially be teams getting cut who are "better" than some of the ones making it. That idea applies at any number you pick.

 

[CharlotteASMom]

Are you sure? I just talked to one of my friends on Gold and she said they're medium.

Just checked and you are right, they went down to medium due to some team rearrangements! Sorry for the confusion everyone.

 

[imrichhowboutu]

No matter what the cutoff point is (10, 20, 5), there are going to potentially be teams getting cut who are "better" than some of the ones making it. That idea applies at any number you pick.

Rockstar went from 17th to 3rd is small limited this year.

I think that is true no matter what. But we are really looking to take only those that have a chance of taking home a globe. So I can see this 2 ways.

1st, it will no longer be about who is the best on just the second day. You need to prove yourself day 1 if you want to even have a chance at taking home a globe.

2nd, If you cap it at the top 10, there are a few teams that will be left out that have a chance of taking home a globe. If you cap it at 20 teams, I don't think you will be missing anyone who could place in the top 3. The other thing to consider is how large a division is. Would they still do prelims, semi finals, and finals? I don't think you could go from 71 small senior teams to 10.

 

[redsmom]

From purely a spectator point of view, 10 seems like a good number for finals. Going from 60+ teams to 10 in one round seems a little crazy though.

 

[Cheerfan1234]

If there are 70+ teams in small, then cut that number in half for semis and then take the best 20 to finals...Pocketing the cash of 70+ teams and THEN telling 60+ 0f them "Better luck next year" is not only insulting but also nothing short of highway robbery. I'm sorry but the whole "you're not gonna win so what's the point of competing twice?" mentality is a bit harsh.

Top ten in practically every division at Worlds no big deal, but it is a HUGE accomplishment in Small Senior and more than ten teams should have the opportunity to make it there...there are AT LEAST 20 teams in that division who are good enough to do so.

If finals is just about who's gonna win, then heck, let's just scrap the whole medaling format altogether. Second and third place is no more a win than 1oth place or 15th place. There's only one winner, so take the top two teams from prelims in EVERY division and have them battle it out for the top spot in finals like they do in the superbowl, world series, and every other sport. Would that be fair? To me that's just as crazy as wiping out 90% of a division.

In my opinion, there should be a 30 team cap for Small Senior at Worlds. That way, if you're only taking ten teams to finals then at least you'll know beforehand that more than half of the division has a fighting chance.