All-Star Netflix Cheer 2

[Keep_Believing]

Yeah, he seemed to feel anxious over it.

 

[quitthedrama]

I agree. If you look at skills in Stunts and pyramids they are definitely not comparable to the other divisions in difficulty and they would most likely score lower. They always do very flashy sequences with a lot of fluff but if you look at the actual skill it’s not the hardest you can do in Level 7. I am always wondering why they never show any rewinds. Tumbling might be a plus for them aswell as overall flow of routine.

Partner stunt qualifications just proved your first statement very true.

 

[quitthedrama]

I do think junior colleges usually have guys that are new to coed stunting. By the time they transfer to a University their coed skills seem to have gotten stronger. Sometimes their tumbling skills decrease due to getting older, all the beating, injuries, wear and tear that comes from tumbling on dead mat.

Many of the guys on Navarro and TVCC are older than grad students. There are very few inexperienced 18 year old boys on these teams.

 

[Keep_Believing]

Many of the guys on Navarro and TVCC are older than grad students. There are very few inexperienced 18 year old boys on these teams.

Many of the guys at Weber come from TVCC & Navarro. Many at TVCC do not have true coed experience when they start at TVCC. Matt T. who is ranked number one for stunt partner is from TVCC. He did his first 3 years at TVCC. Then went to Texas Tech, and ended up transferring to Weber. I am not as familiar with Navarro.

 

[AndyT_T]

I am not here to agree or disagree with your statement, what I wrote were my observations of a situation. I just remembered the difficulties I had in introducing this sport to talented boys because of the "gay" perception. When I listened to those boys on TVCC talk, there could be other ways that these boys can perform that do not lean more towards feminine expressions in their eyes. Speaking as a Black mother, unfortunately, this could be perceive as toxic masculinity, but our Black young men are culturally taught that too much smiling is a sign of "weakness."

Respectfully, there are hundreds of sports where expressions of hyper masculinity is not only glorified but required; and there is only one where men expressing femininity is even semi tolerated. At UCA if a boy lands his tumbling pass and pounds his chest it’s fine, but if he shimmies they will take points off their score.

At NCA nationals in 2015 my school (which has 10+ NCA titles and who’s coach is the NCA director for the Midwest) had points taken off our large coeds “collegiate image” score day one because the boy flying a prep mouthed the words to the lyrics. The judges specifically said not to do that day 2 in the comments (but all the girls did and it was fine). Boys weren't allowed learn the dance at NCA camps until this year. And they probably still can’t at UCA camps. Coed teams at UCA don’t even have a dance or jump section in their routines!

Despite the perception of the show feminine men are still very much not allowed in college cheerleading outside Navarro. Remember it was only 2015 that USASF tried to institute a rule that boys doing “Flamboyant motions” would be penalized.

Men in gymnastics don’t dance or perform their floor routine to music because dancing is “for girls” and they want to keep men in the sport. Men in figure skating who do flamboyant routines score lower regardless of the technique of their skills. Men in dance are still excluded from pointe in all major ballet companies because pointe supposed to be feminine and men in dance are supposed to be “strong”. Men weren’t allowed to compete in synchronized swimming until literally the last 10 years and this last Olympics was the first time they were allowed in, but only in a mixed pair division. In the past 10 years the Russian head of the synchronized swimming governing body literally said “No one wants to see hairy legs in a Speedo poking out of the water”.

So honestly, I don’t care if the perceptions of cheer being “gay” keeps some men out of the sport. All star cheer is literally the only sport that men like me have. The only one. In every other sport (even the ones like dance and figure skating that the public thinks of as feminine) men are penalized for expressing themselves in “gay” ways and are instead told to repress their expressions and conform.

It’s really sad that men are trained our whole lives in this country to repress expressions of emotions, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over boys being afraid to join the one sport men like me have because of what people will say about them. If they’re that concerned they should have done TNT or UCA cheer.

 

[Momager]

Respectfully, there are hundreds of sports where expressions of hyper masculinity is not only glorified but required; and there is only one where men expressing femininity is even semi tolerated. At UCA if a boy lands his tumbling pass and pounds his chest it’s fine, but if he shimmies they will take points off their score.

At NCA nationals in 2015 my school (which has 10+ NCA titles and who’s coach is the NCA director for the Midwest) had points taken off our large coeds “collegiate image” score day one because the boy flying a prep mouthed the words to the lyrics. The judges specifically said not to do that day 2 in the comments (but all the girls did and it was fine). Boys weren't allowed learn the dance at NCA camps until this year. And they probably still can’t at UCA camps. Coed teams at UCA don’t even have a dance or jump section in their routines!

Despite the perception of the show feminine men are still very much not allowed in college cheerleading outside Navarro. Remember it was only 2015 that USASF tried to institute a rule that boys doing “Flamboyant motions” would be penalized.

Men in gymnastics don’t dance or perform their floor routine to music because dancing is “for girls” and they want to keep men in the sport. Men in figure skating who do flamboyant routines score lower regardless of the technique of their skills. Men in dance are still excluded from pointe in all major ballet companies because pointe supposed to be feminine and men in dance are supposed to be “strong”. Men weren’t allowed to compete in synchronized swimming until literally the last 10 years and this last Olympics was the first time they were allowed in, but only in a mixed pair division. In the past 10 years the Russian head of the synchronized swimming governing body literally said “No one wants to see hairy legs in a Speedo poking out of the water”.

So honestly, I don’t care if the perceptions of cheer being “gay” keeps some men out of the sport. All star cheer is literally the only sport that men like me have. The only one. In every other sport (even the ones like dance and figure skating that the public thinks of as feminine) men are penalized for expressing themselves in “gay” ways and are instead told to repress their expressions and conform.

It’s really sad that men are trained our whole lives in this country to repress expressions of emotions, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over boys being afraid to join the one sport men like me have because of what people will say about them. If they’re that concerned they should have done TNT or UCA cheer.

Thank you.

 

[Sterling von Shimmer]

Jerry has plead guilty to a bunch of stuff

Former 'Cheer' star Jerry Harris pleads guilty in federal child pornography case

Harris, 21, was arrested and charged in federal court in Chicago with producing child pornography in September 2020.

www.insider.com

 

[KPep]

Jerry has plead guilty to a bunch of stuff

Former 'Cheer' star Jerry Harris pleads guilty in federal child pornography case

Harris, 21, was arrested and charged in federal court in Chicago with producing child pornography in September 2020.

www.insider.com

Ugh...

The abused-abusing pattern is so easy to use as an excuse.

A member of my family produced child pornography and the excuse he served us was that he was mistreated when he was young. I am sorry but that does not fly with me at all. You are responsible for your actions. You out of everyone should know how being abused as a child destroys your life. The statement in the article saying Jerry wishes to take full responsability is overshadowed by what follows right after.

It makes me so mad.

 

[JayySoFierce]

Respectfully, there are hundreds of sports where expressions of hyper masculinity is not only glorified but required; and there is only one where men expressing femininity is even semi tolerated. At UCA if a boy lands his tumbling pass and pounds his chest it’s fine, but if he shimmies they will take points off their score.

At NCA nationals in 2015 my school (which has 10+ NCA titles and who’s coach is the NCA director for the Midwest) had points taken off our large coeds “collegiate image” score day one because the boy flying a prep mouthed the words to the lyrics. The judges specifically said not to do that day 2 in the comments (but all the girls did and it was fine). Boys weren't allowed learn the dance at NCA camps until this year. And they probably still can’t at UCA camps. Coed teams at UCA don’t even have a dance or jump section in their routines!

Despite the perception of the show feminine men are still very much not allowed in college cheerleading outside Navarro. Remember it was only 2015 that USASF tried to institute a rule that boys doing “Flamboyant motions” would be penalized.

Men in gymnastics don’t dance or perform their floor routine to music because dancing is “for girls” and they want to keep men in the sport. Men in figure skating who do flamboyant routines score lower regardless of the technique of their skills. Men in dance are still excluded from pointe in all major ballet companies because pointe supposed to be feminine and men in dance are supposed to be “strong”. Men weren’t allowed to compete in synchronized swimming until literally the last 10 years and this last Olympics was the first time they were allowed in, but only in a mixed pair division. In the past 10 years the Russian head of the synchronized swimming governing body literally said “No one wants to see hairy legs in a Speedo poking out of the water”.

So honestly, I don’t care if the perceptions of cheer being “gay” keeps some men out of the sport. All star cheer is literally the only sport that men like me have. The only one. In every other sport (even the ones like dance and figure skating that the public thinks of as feminine) men are penalized for expressing themselves in “gay” ways and are instead told to repress their expressions and conform.

It’s really sad that men are trained our whole lives in this country to repress expressions of emotions, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over boys being afraid to join the one sport men like me have because of what people will say about them. If they’re that concerned they should have done TNT or UCA cheer.

Andy, I'm in absolute awe in how you're able to convey your emotions through words. If I tried to say half of the things you were, they would come off either very crass, rude, or argumentative.
You made valid points, you brought cross examination of other sports. This was just so wonderful.

Like you said (kind of)... I don't care if seeming gay drives guys away from the sport. Cheer was the ONLY place I could be myself and I would have probably committed suicide before 16 without it. (Don't even try to edit that sentence, Mods. Silencing REAL PROBLEMS makes you part of it)

 

[NJ Coach]

Andy, I'm in absolute awe in how you're able to convey your emotions through words. If I tried to say half of the things you were, they would come off either very crass, rude, or argumentative.
You made valid points, you brought cross examination of other sports. This was just so wonderful.

Like you said (kind of)... I don't care if seeming gay drives guys away from the sport. Cheer was the ONLY place I could be myself and I would have probably committed suicide before 16 without it. (Don't even try to edit that sentence, Mods. Silencing REAL PROBLEMS makes you part of it)

Nothing to edit. You're speaking a truth that needs to be told.

 

[JayySoFierce]

Nothing to edit. You're speaking a truth that needs to be told.

My apologies, I was in a MOOD that day.

 

[NJ Coach]

My apologies, I was in a MOOD that day.

I feel you. I'm always in a mood.

 

[catlady]

Respectfully, there are hundreds of sports where expressions of hyper masculinity is not only glorified but required; and there is only one where men expressing femininity is even semi tolerated. At UCA if a boy lands his tumbling pass and pounds his chest it’s fine, but if he shimmies they will take points off their score.

At NCA nationals in 2015 my school (which has 10+ NCA titles and who’s coach is the NCA director for the Midwest) had points taken off our large coeds “collegiate image” score day one because the boy flying a prep mouthed the words to the lyrics. The judges specifically said not to do that day 2 in the comments (but all the girls did and it was fine). Boys weren't allowed learn the dance at NCA camps until this year. And they probably still can’t at UCA camps. Coed teams at UCA don’t even have a dance or jump section in their routines!

Despite the perception of the show feminine men are still very much not allowed in college cheerleading outside Navarro. Remember it was only 2015 that USASF tried to institute a rule that boys doing “Flamboyant motions” would be penalized.

Men in gymnastics don’t dance or perform their floor routine to music because dancing is “for girls” and they want to keep men in the sport. Men in figure skating who do flamboyant routines score lower regardless of the technique of their skills. Men in dance are still excluded from pointe in all major ballet companies because pointe supposed to be feminine and men in dance are supposed to be “strong”. Men weren’t allowed to compete in synchronized swimming until literally the last 10 years and this last Olympics was the first time they were allowed in, but only in a mixed pair division. In the past 10 years the Russian head of the synchronized swimming governing body literally said “No one wants to see hairy legs in a Speedo poking out of the water”.

So honestly, I don’t care if the perceptions of cheer being “gay” keeps some men out of the sport. All star cheer is literally the only sport that men like me have. The only one. In every other sport (even the ones like dance and figure skating that the public thinks of as feminine) men are penalized for expressing themselves in “gay” ways and are instead told to repress their expressions and conform.

It’s really sad that men are trained our whole lives in this country to repress expressions of emotions, but I’m not going to lose any sleep over boys being afraid to join the one sport men like me have because of what people will say about them. If they’re that concerned they should have done TNT or UCA cheer.

While I can, and will, empathize with anyone that has felt oppressed or excluded, I will encourage you to go back just a tiny bit further in history. There was a time where males played and danced all female roles. It was not until the 1900's when the Olympics "allowed" females to compete in sports (tennis, sailing, golf, equestrianism, and croquet). Women fought hard to be in traditionally male "businesses and sports." Women were relegated to cleaning house and having babies. Once females had the opportunity to enter traditionally only male businesses and sports, men CHOSE to exit, because it was no longer male dominated.

I just wanted to clarify, because that tidbit of history goes back thousands of years and should not be glossed over as "men weren't allowed to...." They were allowed to do everything and threw a tantrum when women were finally allowed to do a few things.