All-Star New! Varsity Scoring Updates For '12 - '13

[ASCheerMan]

Thankful that the scoring grids for Varsity are more specific. Just curious, this makes the scoring system much more objective than it's ever been. Is there going to be a process in place to ensure that these scores are tabulated correctly? In short, is there going to be any sort of review or double-check to ensure that skills are scored properly?

Yes. As always we will continuously strive to get it right.

 

[ASCheerMan]

I appreciate the unassisted coed section, but I'm not sure it went far enough. An elevator to the top where a guy just steps under it an holds it by himself for a second will be counted just as much as an unassisted toss heel stretch. I think all this does is make everyone do the bare minimum single based stunt in order to get in the range. ASCheerMan correct me if I'm wrong please.

The 'bare minimum' is just that--trying to get in the door all these teams that have never coed stunted. But any truly competitive team trying to out score the competition is not going to settle on the stunt section you described.

 

[xpressjag]

Click here to view Varsity All Star's updated 2012 - 2013 Scoring System!

Building on the philosophy that 'Consistency is the key' to success, you'll notice NO changes were made to the actual Varsity All Star score sheet. In fact, very few changes were made to the minimum requirements at each level in each category.

But what has changed is the amount of resources we've putting forward to help you understand your score. We've providing you with more details than ever, arming Coaches and Gym Owners with the blueprint to a successful competition season.

COMING SOON - Varsity All Star SCORING WEBINARS!! These online tutorials will be FREE to Coaches and will focused on specific elements of the scoresheet and of your routine. We'll also address any up-to-the-minute scoring trends and issues taking place at Varsity All Star events. Stay Tuned...

2012 HIGHLIGHTS
DIFFICULTY RANGES - We took every 1-point range for Difficulty and broke it out even further into LOW, MEDIUM, and HIGH ranges, setting black and white expectations for those teams trying to 'max out' their Difficulty score.

TECHNIQUE SCORE - new range descriptions for the Technique score will help you better understand what process the judges went through before arriving at your Technique score.

NEW! ELITE BUILDING SKILLS - In response to the ever-changing world of all star cheerleading, we've updated what Elite Skills are required of Level 5 teams to place them in the highest level appropriate range for Stunts. (also affects: new Advanced Skills for Level 4 and new Intermediate skills for Level 3).

COED STUNTING - Level 3, Level 4 and Level 5 Senior coed teams are now expected to perform single based, unassisted stunts to be eligible for their Level Appropriate 1-point range. This new requirement excludes junior, youth and mini divisions, as well as all Level 5 Restricted divisions and Level 4.2)

POINT DEDUCTIONS - You'll notice Time Limit deductions and Boundary Violations have been further clarified. We also reformatted all of the deductions, making them even easier to follow.

Will this information be emailed out to varsity all star coaches?

 

[Aimbo]

ASCheerMan
Love this! Set expectations without creating cookie cutter routines.
Couple of questions/observations (I'm sure more will come later
Level 2. (and 4 actually) to score I high range you need to do a jump to a level appropriate skill in standing tumbling. Do jump pause skills satisfy this requirement? Jump pause bhs in level 2 (since jump bhs is illegal) and jump pause tuck in level 4 (or should I focus more on teaching jump bhs tuck)

Also in level two standing tumbling you have series bhs listed, however that is illegal.

Also, for unassisted stunts do you round up or down if you have an odd number.

I have a sc4 team with one male. 1 divided by two plus one is 1.5. Do I need one or two?

Also love that this policy is not sexist, like another major company's policy.

Reposting because I have all of the same questions!
Do jump pause skills satisfy the requirement? Are they preferred or no?
The 50%+1 coed unassisted stunt rule seems to not work for small numbers of boys. Teams with 1 or 2 boys need to throw just as many unassisted coed skills as teams with 3 or 4. Is this going to be clarified any more, or is this how it will be?

 

[ASCheerMan]

Reposting because I have all of the same questions!
Do jump pause skills satisfy the requirement? Are they preferred or no?
The 50%+1 coed unassisted stunt rule seems to not work for small numbers of boys. Teams with 1 or 2 boys need to throw just as many unassisted coed skills as teams with 3 or 4. Is this going to be clarified any more, or is this how it will be?

I am reposting the system today with added clarifications, many of which will address your questions. But in a nutshell:
Pausing between a jump and a tumbling skill will NOT satisfy the jump/tumble requirement. I, personally don't prefer them and see it as either a) reinforcing BAD technique or b) an attempt to show everyone that you are a Level 5 athlete sandbagging at Level 4. :)

I realize now that my magical formula isn't working magic. Here's how we intended it to play out:
Teams competing with...
1 male, 1 unassisted stunt is required.
2 males, 2 unassisted stunts are required.
3 males, 2 unassisted stunts are required.
4 males, 3 unassisted stunts are required.
5 males, 3 unassisted stunts are required.

As a reminder, recycled stunt groups count towards the requirement. Unassisted stunts throughout the routine may count as well. And an unassisted stunt doesn't have to be based by a male. Our goal is to create parameters that don't force any coed team to drop their guys because they are intimidated. We want to work WITH you to make sure nobody is left behind!

 

[ASCheerMan]

ASCheerMan
Love this! Set expectations without creating cookie cutter routines.
Couple of questions/observations (I'm sure more will come later
Level 2. (and 4 actually) to score I high range you need to do a jump to a level appropriate skill in standing tumbling. Do jump pause skills satisfy this requirement? Jump pause bhs in level 2 (since jump bhs is illegal) and jump pause tuck in level 4 (or should I focus more on teaching jump bhs tuck)

Also in level two standing tumbling you have series bhs listed, however that is illegal.

Also, for unassisted stunts do you round up or down if you have an odd number.

I have a sc4 team with one male. 1 divided by two plus one is 1.5. Do I need one or two?

Also love that this policy is not sexist, like another major company's policy.

Drew, I apologize as I just realized I never replied directly to your posting directly. I know I addressed most of these initial concerns, but I took for granted that once I put this system up on Fierceboards, that I'd need to stay tuned as the thread evolved and respond to so many valid questions.

By the way, the Level 2 Standing Tumbling typo is being addressed in today's reposting. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[ASCheerMan]

I don't understand why a level 3 team is expected to do an unassisted coed stunt, but a restricted level 5 team isn't? Or did I just read that wrong?

Restricted Level 5 and 4.2 aren't required to include the unassisted stunting as part of their score because these divisions tend to have both all girl and coed teams competing against eachother. It would be unfair to expect some of the teams in a given division to include certain skills but not require it of the rest of the teams also!

 

[yojaehs]

Restricted Level 5 and 4.2 aren't required to include the unassisted stunting as part of their score because these divisions tend to have both all girl and coed teams competing against eachother. It would be unfair to expect some of the teams in a given division to include certain skills but not require it of the rest of the teams also!

I'm not familiar with 4.2 but often times Senior Restricted 5 is split coed/all-girl. At those comps will the score sheet reflect this split, or will ALL Varsity events (regardless of split) have the same score sheet?

 

[ASCheerMan]

I'm not familiar with 4.2 but often times Senior Restricted 5 is split coed/all-girl. At those comps will the score sheet reflect this split, or will ALL Varsity events (regardless of split) have the same score sheet?

Since those divisions only split into coed and all girl IF registrations warrant, we decided against making it a requirement for coed teams one week, but not the next.

The end result would be that the coed squads would leave in their unassisted stunt all season and the all girl teams would FEEL like they were at a disadvantage, even if judges weren't requiring it that week.

 

[yojaehs]

Since those divisions only split into coed and all girl IF registrations warrant, we decided against making it a requirement for coed teams one week, but not the next.

The end result would be that the coed squads would leave in their unassisted stunt all season and the all girl teams would FEEL like they were at a disadvantage, even if judges weren't requiring it that week.

Thanks for the clarification!

 

[CGAcheer]

Drew, I apologize as I just realized I never replied directly to your posting directly. I know I addressed most of these initial concerns, but I took for granted that once I put this system up on Fierceboards, that I'd need to stay tuned as the thread evolved and respond to so many valid questions.

By the way, the Level 2 Standing Tumbling typo is being addressed in today's reposting. Thanks for pointing it out.

So you don't want the jump pause bhs for level 2? or is the BHS series as level appropriate tumbling the typo.

If you don't want the jump pause bhs, how do you suggest connecting level 2 tumbling to a jump since that is illegal at 2? do you want jump forward roll front handsprings? Would that be considered connected?

 

[ASCheerMan]

For Level

So you don't want the jump pause bhs for level 2? or is the BHS series as level appropriate tumbling the typo.

If you don't want the jump pause bhs, how do you suggest connecting level 2 tumbling to a jump since that is illegal at 2? do you want jump forward roll front handsprings? Would that be considered connected?

For Level 2, a toe touch (followed by a pause)and a back handspring are both allowed because those skills are NOT connected to each other. An example of a jump/tumbling combo that IS allowed at L2 could be a front hurdler back walkover. It's legal and it satisfies the 4.0 - 5.0 HIGH requirement of including a jump/tumbling combo.

We are about to repost the Scoring System with updates and clarifications. The back handspring series was a typo and is deleted. And like I clarified just now, jump/tumbling combos are spelled out w/examples. Many brought it up to us and share in your confusion. :)

 

[CGAcheer]

For Level


For Level 2, a toe touch (followed by a pause)and a back handspring are both allowed because those skills are NOT connected to each other. An example of a jump/tumbling combo that IS allowed at L2 could be a front hurdler back walkover. It's legal and it satisfies the 4.0 - 5.0 HIGH requirement of including a jump/tumbling combo.

We are about to repost the Scoring System with updates and clarifications. The back handspring series was a typo and is deleted. And like I clarified just now, jump/tumbling combos are spelled out w/examples. Many brought it up to us and share in your confusion. :)

So, If I understand you correctly- Level 1 and 2 do the same jump connected to tumbling.

and for us personally we get to do jump pause bhs at Cheersport then switch to jump walkovers then back to jump pause bhs for another cheersport comp and then back to jump walkovers.
^^^ That is why we need a universal scoresheet.

 

[SarahS]

So, If I understand you correctly- Level 1 and 2 do the same jump connected to tumbling.

and for us personally we get to do jump pause bhs at Cheersport then switch to jump walkovers then back to jump pause bhs for another cheersport comp and then back to jump walkovers.
^^^ That is why we need a universal scoresheet.

While I agree with the need for universal scoresheets, couldn't you do a jump BWO bhs and satisfy both scoresheets? No pause to satisfy varsity and appropriate level skills for cheersport?

 

[ASCheerMan]

So, If I understand you correctly- Level 1 and 2 do the same jump connected to tumbling.

and for us personally we get to do jump pause bhs at Cheersport then switch to jump walkovers then back to jump pause bhs for another cheersport comp and then back to jump walkovers.
^^^ That is why we need a universal scoresheet.

Ok, I apologize for the contradiction, but I'm going to change my answer given meetings that have taken place over the last 48 hours.

FIERCEBOARD EXCLUSIVE:
Level 1 Jump/Tumbling Combination example includes toe touch back walkover or a front hurdler forward roll.
Level 2 Standing Tumbling HIGH subrange will no longer call for a jump backhandspring combination.

These clarifications will be addressed in the updated Scoring system being posted today.