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And I am not trying to beat my chest and show the USASF anything. I ,unlike you, have been here since the inception of AllStar cheer. I have fought for most of the things we now take for granted levels, safety rules, proper warmup areas, etc. these were done by gym owners and coaches who allowed the usasf to be the vehicle for this.
We changed cheerleading once we can do it again if need be.... BUT....
I would rather just restore sanity and have them get back to things that matter like judges training, a universal score sheet WITH a proper code of points to establish difficulty, athlete registration etc. And stop giving so much energy toward such silliness as trying to regulate my style of uniform.
And my athletes are already required to wear warmups when not competing...but I might change that now and dare them to penalize me just to be a pain in thier side LOL
 
The thing is you never make an argument as to why these rules are bad other than you feel your rights are being penalized and it will hurt your business (which was one of your earliest arguments ). The only one sounding silly here is you when you feel it is wrong for our governing body to say to gyms that put 6 year olds in less clothing than a pole dancer with music that has profanity and moves that include grinding and thrusting - which perhaps you have not seen but there are gyms that do that - we have seen it in competition and except for the parents up front cheering them on pretty much everyone else was in shock.
Because I agree with the USASF you deem me a moral police, putting "" around legitimize does not make the word any less accurate. I keep telling you that normal crop tops are not the problem it is gym owners who don't feel that anything is too small and want to make the rules for their gyms but don't want to follow them when their governing body makes them. Because they keep pushing the envelope in this area the USASF said ENOUGH and put very clear cut rules so they don't need to keep their energy on this. Personally I think length rules would be an okay alternative but that would require a WHOLE lot of energy and debates during events and people trying to push the rules and others contesting results saying so and so 's team broke the requirement.
You say: "Swimming , gymnastics, volleyball, track and field all have revieling clothing not to specialize the athlete but because the athleticism required for the sport demands movement !! " Yet another reason for the rules - because girls are having parts of their body exposed and the uniforms some gym owners are choosing do not help with the athleticism the sport demands but actually detract from it. Given you feel this is a sport I would assume you would be one who would support measures that would keep athletes safe and covered so that they could meet the demands of the moves they are required to perform but you are so stuck on it being more than that. Your comment even if in tongue-in-cheek - about not making your kids wear warm-ups just to prove your point is exactly why the USASF could not just say okay let's make a reasonable length coverage for a crop top, because there will be gym owners with the mentality that they will try to buck the rules... and what does that prove that you are stronger than the system?
By making a clear cut rule of full tops for under Senior then they don't have to put energy into it. They seem to have made the rules and the only energy I see being spent is people who want to buck the rules because they don't like them. I agree your other issues have a major importance but just because you feel the uniform issue is unimportant doesn't make it so and if it is so unimportant than why are you so worked up about it? You have a strong program your cheerleaders will excel in full tops just as much as crop.. the only thing I have heard from you is that: first USASF does not have the right (well we debated what a governing body is before), that other sports have revealing uniforms because the sport demands it (and they also have rules on the length, material even amount of sequins when it comes to ice skating because it is a sport not a beauty pageant), that this is a silly thing for them to regulate (if it is so silly then why are you so opposed to any restrictions let it be and get them working on the issues you feel are more important), and that this is just moral police (well this is a sport done in large part by children -- there are regulations in ALL aspects of things that directly effect children to what movies they are allowed to see, how many hours a child actor can work, that toys be lead free -- they are in place to protect children and allow them to be children because they may not be mentally, physically, or emotionally ready for a situation,)
I am sorry that you did not like the beat the chest comment but basically when you say -- we'll just leave and start our own group and that will show them attitude it basically reminds me of a male gorilla beating his chest trying to establish dominance. You truly sound like you don't like the USASF..clearly you have the time and experience - which I have never questioned - so leave it go to competitions elsewhere start your own governing body let free commerce run its course. You never make a point as to why crop tops on cheerleaders support their athleticism all you say is that it hurts your rights and your business - same tune different words.
 
Wow that was a word EXPLOSION!!!
First there is no right or wrong in the debate of full tops vs half tops...you have no compelling argument for full tops that will sway me and I have no argument that will change your point of view that is why the usasf should not be involved period.
Second not myself nor the overall majority of my fellow gym owners "parade" young children around. That is just an easy way for you to put your view above mine.
Lastly I love the usasf as a concept. I have fought for it, worked hard to implement most of the democratically voted on issues. I am at my regional meeting now making my voice heard.
But I am more loyal to my sport that I love and I do not want people like you or Jim Chadwick (who overall I have great respect for) or Jeff Webb changing things just because they think it's "more appropriate"
 
Wow that was a word EXPLOSION!!!
First there is no right or wrong in the debate of full tops vs half tops...you have no compelling argument for full tops that will sway me and I have no argument that will change your point of view that is why the usasf should not be involved period.
Second not myself nor the overall majority of my fellow gym owners "parade" young children around. That is just an easy way for you to put your view above mine.
Lastly I love the usasf as a concept. I have fought for it, worked hard to implement most of the democratically voted on issues. I am at my regional meeting now making my voice heard.
But I am more loyal to my sport that I love and I do not want people like you or Jim Chadwick (who overall I have great respect for) or Jeff Webb changing things just because they think it's "more appropriate"

You so do not get it... it is not half tops/ full tops ...they have put rules into place because while you may not parade young children around their are teams that basically that is what they do. they don't teach skills right or safely, they throw them in tiny non athletic uniforms., it is all about them not the sport not the skills..

YOU HAVE NO ARGUEMENT truly against it. So you say you don't want things to change because you think we are trying to be morally superior I have never heard a legitimate reason other than you have a right to dress your cheerleaders how you want and the rule will hurt your business. Whenever I refute your other comments like USASF legitimate right to do this you just throw moral out there. Still the same tune
-- USASF should be involved because it is a sport an they are the governing body and they make the rules including uniform just like any other sport.
I am not trying to sway you. I think you have experience and commitment to the sport therefore I ask you honestly why is this ruling wrong other than you don't like a governing body make rules about what athletes in that organization should wear when competing- give me something to understand your point, because none of your arguments hold any water. I mean according to you: me and 2 other people are the only people who feel this is right and wearing full tops is going to ruin the sport of cheerleading. At this point...:deadhorse:until you actually present some legitimate reason.
 
My reason is I prefer my athletes in a crop top. I believe it compliments the activity they are engaged in better. My reason is the same as why some teams wear Nike and some wear Adidas
Why some like blue and some like the color purple (like me). Why some wear sleaves on their leotard and some don't. Why some runners wear shirts and some wear tank tops. Why some wear a swim suit with a low back and some with a high cut. PERSONAL PREFERENCE within a reasonable uniform requirement that has to do with performance ad not an individuals "appropriateness"
I am sure that you will poor out to me all the areas where I am wrong but you asked so there it is :)
And I speak with lots of industry people every day and this rule is NOT looked upon as the usasf's crowning achievement.
 
My reason is I prefer my athletes in a crop top. I believe it compliments the activity they are engaged in better. My reason is the same as why some teams wear Nike and some wear Adidas
Why some like blue and some like the color purple (like me). Why some wear sleaves on their leotard and some don't. Why some runners wear shirts and some wear tank tops. Why some wear a swim suit with a low back and some with a high cut. PERSONAL PREFERENCE within a reasonable uniform requirement that has to do with performance ad not an individuals "appropriateness"
I am sure that you will poor out to me all the areas where I am wrong but you asked so there it is :)
And I speak with lots of industry people every day and this rule is NOT looked upon as the usasf's crowning achievement.


This is the first argument FOR crops that I can actually respect... bravo!
 
"The point is we as adults in a sport should be following the rules - not trying to figure out how to get around them. What does that teach children? "

I mentioned this in a different thread, but it also applies to your comment. I just finished watching the rhythmic gymnast. I am interested to see & wonder if the "future" cheer uniforms will end up taking on some of the aspects of their outfits such as mesh, nude colored material, etc. as away to get around the new cheer uniform rules. Who knows what the future of cheer uniforms will look like! LOL

P.S. I like the crop tops, but I'm not against the full uniforms.
 
I am not against them just mandating them

I see your point. I was really just wondering about how far people will push the envelope to get around the new rule. When they want to Cheerleaders can get really creative! LOL
 
I'm gonna only have senior teams LOL
Since its ok for 10 year olds to wear them :)
 
I completely agree with Coach Troy its not about appropriateness but about personal preference. Going off of the swimming example there are literally hundreds of different styles of swim suits just because some like it one way while some like it another.
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and as you can see these all have varying amounts of coverage and this is perfectly acceptable in the swimming world why is it so bad in the cheer world?
 
See we can use common sense instead of the usasf declaring Marshall Law!!

Looking at the suits I would say swimming would not make Mom2Cheergirls list of approved sports :)
 
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