All-Star Results

[alpaca]

Still never posted the results, the event was before Christmas. Comps by the same EP that occurred after have had their results posted. I heard that a coach questioned the scores. Coincidence that they didn't post them after they were challenged?

 

[california cheer mom]

No scores for the California comp yet either, it's been a month!

 

[crazzyeyesassypants]

No scores for the California comp yet either, it's been a month!

Call them out on Twitter, sometimes that works.


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[quitthedrama]

I have noticed that Varsity has redone their website and now every competition has the same website format. I went to check the results of an event from this past weekend and you can not even access the event details anymore. I also noticed that facebook pages for these EPs are no longer being updated, so I can only assume that it is not only scores that are no longer available, but results aren't even being posted!

 

[california cheer mom]

I have noticed that Varsity has redone their website and now every competition has the same website format. I went to check the results of an event from this past weekend and you can not even access the event details anymore. I also noticed that facebook pages for these EPs are no longer being updated, so I can only assume that it is not only scores that are no longer available, but results aren't even being posted!

Yes, this was particularly annoying this weekend when the comp schedule completely disappeared DURING THE COMP WEEKEND.

 

[alpaca]

I have noticed that Varsity has redone their website and now every competition has the same website format. I went to check the results of an event from this past weekend and you can not even access the event details anymore. I also noticed that facebook pages for these EPs are no longer being updated, so I can only assume that it is not only scores that are no longer available, but results aren't even being posted!

Sometimes the brand has a "past events" tab that allows you to see the event webpage. But since Summit reveals are on Monday nights, results usually aren't posted until at least Wednesdays.

 

[alpaca]

Yes, this was particularly annoying this weekend when the comp schedule completely disappeared DURING THE COMP WEEKEND.

Why would they do this? There has to be a reason and its certainly not for the benefit of the participants. Why are they limiting access to schedules and results.

 

[quitthedrama]

Yes, this was particularly annoying this weekend when the comp schedule completely disappeared DURING THE COMP WEEKEND.

That also happened during a Varsity comp in our area - I believe as early as Saturday morning the event details were no longer accessible. I don't understand the logic behind prohibiting access to what should be general information!

 

[catlady]

Why would they do this? There has to be a reason and its certainly not for the benefit of the participants. Why are they limiting access to schedules and results.

I tend to agree with you all, but I will give my business speculations as to why this might happen. When we began cheer we were told to be there, flying or driving, the Friday before a comp and if you were flying, you had to leave on Monday, because the schedule came out the week of the comp. Problem #1, when schedules are provided, and with the hotels getting more expensive, people aren't going to pay for hotels stays they don't need. Logical. However, when your company depends on a certain number of hotel stays with STP to get a venue on the dates they want, that's a problem. #2 People get married to schedules. In a sport where there are very few alternates, coaches and EP's need parents to be flexible. If it's stated that awards are going to be at 3:30 PM and some parents book the 8:00 PM non-refundable flight out to avoid another hotel stay, there's no room to be flexible with injuries, stage clean ups, etc.

Releasing scores and awarding bids based on those scores when there are multiple arena's....this one I saw coming. You can't have multiple arena's and expect precision judging when you have 18 scored categories and it only takes a .1 in each of those categories to make a huge difference. That forces the judges to then look at the day 1 scores and compare by arena and re-adjust scoring for day 2 to make sure the scores are in line for bids. Cue all of the videos and people asking, "Why did their score drop 1.0 pt when they had a better performance day 2, than day 1?" Um, because J3 hit a better routine in Arena 1, but scored .6 lower than their S3 in Arena 2. Cheer is unlike any other sport when it comes to number of arenas and number of athletes being compared and releasing scores makes it absolutely no more transparent. "Olympic ice skating" ...enough said.

Cost. There are ways to fix some of these things, but it would require events lasting much longer than 10:00 PM. Cue the, "just take less teams".....okay, the price just went up to $45 for admission and $180 per athlete and now they may not have enough hotel stays to get the venue contract next year. Again, just speculation, but I can see these things being issues from a business perspective.

 

[california cheer mom]

That also happened during a Varsity comp in our area - I believe as early as Saturday morning the event details were no longer accessible. I don't understand the logic behind prohibiting access to what should be general information!

Yes! They do provide a printed schedule but it is in like a 5 pt font and the arena is dark! I have to have a kid read it to tell me what is coming up!

 

[crazzyeyesassypants]

I tend to agree with you all, but I will give my business speculations as to why this might happen. When we began cheer we were told to be there, flying or driving, the Friday before a comp and if you were flying, you had to leave on Monday, because the schedule came out the week of the comp. Problem #1, when schedules are provided, and with the hotels getting more expensive, people aren't going to pay for hotels stays they don't need. Logical. However, when your company depends on a certain number of hotel stays with STP to get a venue on the dates they want, that's a problem. #2 People get married to schedules. In a sport where there are very few alternates, coaches and EP's need parents to be flexible. If it's stated that awards are going to be at 3:30 PM and some parents book the 8:00 PM non-refundable flight out to avoid another hotel stay, there's no room to be flexible with injuries, stage clean ups, etc.

Releasing scores and awarding bids based on those scores when there are multiple arena's....this one I saw coming. You can't have multiple arena's and expect precision judging when you have 18 scored categories and it only takes a .1 in each of those categories to make a huge difference. That forces the judges to then look at the day 1 scores and compare by arena and re-adjust scoring for day 2 to make sure the scores are in line for bids. Cue all of the videos and people asking, "Why did their score drop 1.0 pt when they had a better performance day 2, than day 1?" Um, because J3 hit a better routine in Arena 1, but scored .6 lower than their S3 in Arena 2. Cheer is unlike any other sport when it comes to number of arenas and number of athletes being compared and releasing scores makes it absolutely no more transparent. "Olympic ice skating" ...enough said.

Cost. There are ways to fix some of these things, but it would require events lasting much longer than 10:00 PM. Cue the, "just take less teams".....okay, the price just went up to $45 for admission and $180 per athlete and now they may not have enough hotel stays to get the venue contract next year. Again, just speculation, but I can see these things being issues from a business perspective.

Do happen to work for Varsity?


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[catlady]

Do happen to work for Varsity?


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Lol, I've been asked/accused many times of working for Varsity, but "no" I've never worked for Varsity. I worked for May corp for 20+ years as an exec. I was a customer service exec for most of those years which forces you to see things from multiple views. Retired, stay at home mom that reads a lot of business related material, talks with other sport mom's, and has a once cp now going into sport law and management.

 

[OldskoolKYcheercoach]

I tend to agree with you all, but I will give my business speculations as to why this might happen. When we began cheer we were told to be there, flying or driving, the Friday before a comp and if you were flying, you had to leave on Monday, because the schedule came out the week of the comp. Problem #1, when schedules are provided, and with the hotels getting more expensive, people aren't going to pay for hotels stays they don't need. Logical. However, when your company depends on a certain number of hotel stays with STP to get a venue on the dates they want, that's a problem. #2 People get married to schedules. In a sport where there are very few alternates, coaches and EP's need parents to be flexible. If it's stated that awards are going to be at 3:30 PM and some parents book the 8:00 PM non-refundable flight out to avoid another hotel stay, there's no room to be flexible with injuries, stage clean ups, etc.

Releasing scores and awarding bids based on those scores when there are multiple arena's....this one I saw coming. You can't have multiple arena's and expect precision judging when you have 18 scored categories and it only takes a .1 in each of those categories to make a huge difference. That forces the judges to then look at the day 1 scores and compare by arena and re-adjust scoring for day 2 to make sure the scores are in line for bids. Cue all of the videos and people asking, "Why did their score drop 1.0 pt when they had a better performance day 2, than day 1?" Um, because J3 hit a better routine in Arena 1, but scored .6 lower than their S3 in Arena 2. Cheer is unlike any other sport when it comes to number of arenas and number of athletes being compared and releasing scores makes it absolutely no more transparent. "Olympic ice skating" ...enough said.

Cost. There are ways to fix some of these things, but it would require events lasting much longer than 10:00 PM. Cue the, "just take less teams".....okay, the price just went up to $45 for admission and $180 per athlete and now they may not have enough hotel stays to get the venue contract next year. Again, just speculation, but I can see these things being issues from a business perspective.

In regards to points number 1 and 3 here, this industry is going to eventually price itself out of business. This was a problem that began when every competition became a "NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP." It's one thing to have multiple organizations claiming their own "national champions" (however, this is bad enough in it's own right...despite the fact that it happens in every youth activity at all levels). It's another thing for virtually every competition company to claim 5-7 national championship events every season. At best, these BS competitions are a regional event. They are becoming more and more of a regional event every year as gym owners and parents are clamoring to save money. Eventually something will have to give. How are you going to force STP when the majority of teams are traveling less than 100 miles to the event? They have no reason to stay in a hotel unless they are performing at the booty crack of dawn or near the middle of the night.

In regard to point 2: In today's world of (quote Men in Black) "unlimited technology from throughout the universe." It is unfathomable that scores cannot be reviewed within a matter of seconds, scored accordingly, adjusted for "arena variances" (whatever that means), AND PUBLICIZED RAPIDLY. The bottom line is that no one in this industry wants to be held accountable. EP's do not want to be held accountable for having well-trained judges who score consistently/similarly from division to division. Choreographers do not want to be held accountable when gym owners/coaches come to them and ask why their material didn't score well. Gym owners/coaches do not want to be held accountable when their coaching techniques do not produce the desired results. Parents do not want to be held accountable when they lose their minds on all of the above with their limited knowledge of how things really work. Where there is no accountability, prices can rise and money can be made with no regard to quality.

 

[alpaca]

At a comp this weekend, no online schedule, no printed schedule (only given to coaches) and the announcer did not say 'On deck, in the hole" They basically just announced, "now here is xyz team". It was very difficult to follow.

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

At a comp this weekend, no online schedule, no printed schedule (only given to coaches) and the announcer did not say 'On deck, in the hole" They basically just announced, "now here is xyz team". It was very difficult to follow.

Um. So how were you supposed to know when your child was on if no schedule and no announcement? Just rely on coach to tell you (from his/her schedule) and hope the comp is running on time/running in order?