All-Star Senior Level 6

[yojaehs]

I coached a team YEARS ago when "elite" was a division. High school kids shouldn't be doing flipping and twisting baskets. High school kids shouldn't be doing ANY combination of 2 1/2 high pyramids.

I was young and dumb, if asked today, I would NOT coach that team IF that division was offered.

 

[AndrewSky]

Baskets maybe stunts I dont see that much of a difference, just braced inversions go unbraced.

I guess I just see a big difference. Especially when it comes to pyramids.

 

[AndyT_T]

I was kinda thinking more of a restricted level six.
I just think the skill progression is off for inversions: level 3 has two hands, level 4 has one hand, shouldnt level 5 have no hands to smush, and then level six have no hands to preps and extensions.
And I always thought back tuck baskets were INFINITELY easier than all other baskets to anyone who has a back tuck (ie: all level 5 athletes, almost).
And I just thought some restricted 2-2-1's (like the one the junior team did) should be allowed.

I was thinking more "6 restricted" than "Junior level 6"

 

[retiredl5cheer]

I was kinda thinking more of a restricted level six.
I just think the skill progression is off for inversions: level 3 has two hands, level 4 has one hand, shouldnt level 5 have no hands to smush, and then level six have no hands to preps and extensions.
And I always thought back tuck baskets were INFINITELY easier than all other baskets to anyone who has a back tuck (ie: all level 5 athletes, almost).
And I just thought some restricted 2-2-1's (like the one the junior team did) should be allowed.

I was thinking more "6 restricted" than "Junior level 6"

It's a good thought and I respect your reasoning. However, as an athlete who has performed these skills at a college level, I wouldn't ever want a high schooler mid-layering me or basing me in shoulders during 3 high pyramids. Scary scary thought because high school aged athletes do not always have the attention span and reaction speed that these pyramids require. When I'm standing on someone's shoulders holding another person above me, my life is in my shoulder stand's hands. It takes a special athlete to have that job.

 

[KTucker]

I just don't see a lot of senior aged kids wanting to do Level 6. You have your years in college for that, why not spend your hs years on Levels 1-5?
However, I can see some people wanting this because they don't have the tumbling to get on Level 5, but want to go to Worlds.

 

[ssccxnce]

I completely agree! Some of the scariest stuff I've ever seen happened at Nationals :p
Wait... does this mean you were at Nationals this year and I didn't meet you?

lol no i couldnt go this year just speaking from my attendance at numerous nationals over numerous years lol trying to swing next year though ;)

 

[FamousxMindset]

I guess I just see a big difference. Especially when it comes to pyramids.

I'd do a 221 before I'd attempt Coed Elite's pyramid ANYDAY

 

[FamousxMindset]

Level 6 is kind of weird because it's not really a step up from level 5. The level 6 skills most level 6 teams do at most smaller nationals is probably easier than level 5. A back tuck toss is a million times easier than a kick-double, and front flipping out of a prep is easier than doubling down, for example. But the hardest level 6 skills, baskets, pyramids, etc. are definitely harder than level 5.

I'd agree the elite baskets of level six are far more advanced than level five. But overall I feel like level five is more elite.

 

[cachoi]

Maybe I just haven't seen enough videos but I feel like there aren't enough true level 6 teams out there to begin with. Adding it for seniors would be kind of 'ehhh' and probably just plain scary. They can wait to join in college which by then they can (hopefully) execute everything that's possible for level 6 properly.

 

[Aussiekat]

There was a different thread about this at one point and the most logical reason that stood out to me was the exercise of choice. Things go bad in cheer all the time, but they can go really bad extremely quickly in lvl6. The relationship of authority between a coach and athlete changes as you grow up. At 18, you’re legally an adult and the power differential of authority is lessened, or altered. As a kid you trust your coach knows what they’re doing. As an adult, you still trust your coach but it’s not blind trust. You need to be able to make the decision independently to say “yes, I do want to flip and twist three metres high, and yes I do want to throw people and I trust myself not to let them get hurt." I don’t think that maturity and thought process has necessarily developed to full capacity before 18. Not that all kids are the same, I’m sure 13 year old Susie is a very mature exception, but not all coaches are safe and know what they’re doing.