All-Star Summit Bid Winners 2015

[FierceIsTheName]

So i am assuming that those divisions with just one WC team will automatically make it to Saturday. Do they even need to compete at that point on Friday?

I feel like they should still compete and have to get a certain percentage, cause that's really not fair to the rest of the divisions and teams...


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[2cheer]

I feel like they should still compete and have to get a certain percentage, cause that's really not fair to the rest of the divisions and teams...


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I agree with you 100% however will that be the actual case

 

[cheerKT]

Reflecting back on my 4.2 'rant' earlier. I know there aren't tons of 4.2s, but just to further drive home my point check out the bid list. One AL and one WC in small coed and only one team period (an AL) in large coed. I'm just going to guess these will be combined with only three teams total.

 

[cheermomforever]

I would love this, but then you get the problem with coaches not being able to be at both. I'm sure there are plenty coaches that coach Worlds teams and lower levels.

Or coaches who r on I5 or I6 teams

 

[catlady]

Reflecting back on my 4.2 'rant' earlier. I know there aren't tons of 4.2s, but just to further drive home my point check out the bid list. One AL and one WC in small coed and only one team period (an AL) in large coed. I'm just going to guess these will be combined with only three teams total.

UCA and Summit are the only events I know of that recognize "coed" as a separate division in 4.2, I was surprised to see the separation so I assumed they would put "coed large" in the "large" division and "coed small" in the "small". I like your idea better, however.

On a separate note, WC's to me, provide an opportunity for the hundreds of gyms that mainly go to local 1 day events. There are a couple of outstanding gyms in GA that mainly go to smaller comps and their lower level teams kick some booty!

 

[cheerKT]

UCA and Summit are the only events I know of that recognize "coed" as a separate division in 4.2, I was surprised to see the separation so I assumed they would put "coed large" in the "large" division and "coed small" in the "small". I like your idea better, however.

On a separate note, WC's to me, provide an opportunity for the hundreds of gyms that mainly go to local 1 day events. There are a couple of outstanding gyms in GA that mainly go to smaller comps and their lower level teams kick some booty!

I was surprised to see that as well honestly. After one season in 4.2 I think I've only seen a coed split twice, Allstar Challenge and this upcoming weekend at Battle at the Beach. I think the numbers are so small for those coed teams they could be combined either way.

 

[CheerDad18]

There are 50 more bids at large this year than last. That's more than a 10% increase in number of bids. As far as bids being hard to get, that was the whole point of the Summit. Our gym choose 4 events per team to get a Summit Bid. Only one event is in our backyard the other 3 events were out of state. Two comps are drivable one requires a flight or 11+ hr drive one way. I agree something needs to be done about how they bids are awarded. I know last year small senior 4 had 40teams small Junior 3 had 38. Thats almost 18% in those two divisions.

If I had to guess why the sudden change you have gym owners complaining to EP because they have parents complaining to them about it's not fair only one w/c team advances. Parents are spending tons of $$$ to go. I would guess that is probably the reason for w/c you had people complain that bids were to hard to get.

This is a business and I understand it's all about the $$$$. I agree with another poster a summit win now will mean something. In a couple of years this will be just another competition like Cheersport or NCA

If Cheerleading wants to be treated like a sport it needs to act like one. You don't change the play off format during the season you do it after!!!!

 

[amy1k]

I still don't think you understand what I am saying (or maybe you just don't care). The three bid competitions that my child's gym attends offered fewer bids than they did last year. One of them is not offering bids for THIS season at all. I'm not arguing that bids for everyone are less plentiful, but for our gym they are. YES, they could add another bid comp (next season they will). This year more gyms traveled to my area to get bids than ever before. I'm just trying to offer a different perspective. Where I am, it is becoming increasingly more difficult to bring a team to the Summit on ANY bid. Even gyms that traveled far and wide are coming up short.

 

[CheerDad18]

I still don't think you understand what I am saying (or maybe you just don't care). The three bid competitions that my child's gym attends offered fewer bids than they did last year. One of them is not offering bids for THIS season at all. I'm not arguing that bids for everyone are less plentiful, but for our gym they are. YES, they could add another bid comp (next season they will). This year more gyms traveled to my area to get bids than ever before. I'm just trying to offer a different perspective. Where I am, it is becoming increasingly more difficult to bring a team to the Summit on ANY bid. Even gyms that traveled far and wide are coming up short.

My response was not specificately directed to you, I hope your daughters team does well. I hope your team advances. I can tell by your responses you care about your Daughter and her team.

My response was directed in general to the event promoter. If I had to guess what varsity comes up with I would bet they advance 10% of the wild cards.

Do I think it's fair to change the rules after 3/4 of the season is done NO. Like I said in my previous post if you want Cheerleading to be treated like a sport than act like a sport. Don't change the rules until after the season.

In my opinion if they wanted to make better use of the wild cards. They could look at historical participation by division. In divisions where there are small numbers you could award wild cards in those divisions. So if there aren't a lot of large youth 3 teams participating award wild card bids to 2nd and 3rd place teams at larger 2 day comps to help fill out the field. That would keep the Summit to a 2 day competition making it cheaper for the parents. For that idea to work you would need to cut the wild cards in half and cap the number of teams to 600.

 

[Pebbles49]

My response was not specificately directed to you, I hope your daughters team does well. My response was directed in general to the event promoter. If I had to guess what varsity comes up with I would bet they advance 10% of the wild cards.

Do I think it's fair to change the rules after 3/4 of the season is done NO.

In my opinion if they wanted to make better use of the wild cards. They could look at historical participation by division. In division where there are small numbers you could award wild cards in those divisions. So if there aren't a lot of large youth 3 teams participating award wild card bids to 2nd and 3rd place teams at larger 2 day comps to help fill out the field. That would keep the Summit to a 2 day competition making it cheaper for the parents. For that idea to work you would need to cut the wild cards in half and cap the number of teams to 600.

I totally agree with this idea of awarding w/c bids at 2 day events to unsaturated divisions like Y3 and I think, Y4 division have the same quandary as Y5, not enough representatives and this group needed special provisions too... I see less Y4 teams at 2 day event competitions now than Y5 teams.

 

[amy1k]

Why, though? If there are MORE small j3s, why not have them in higher representation at the Summit? Just like they are at every other competition? We already have gyms building teams specifically to compete in less competitive divisions, wouldn't favorability when awarding bids make that happen more often? Like we could add one child to our small j3 and become more likely to win a bid in a much smaller large junior 3 division, if that were to happen. As it is, the highest scoring teams are winning bids.

 

[CheerDad18]

Why, though? If there are MORE small j3s, why not have them in higher representation at the Summit? Just like they are at every other competition? We already have gyms building teams specifically to compete in less competitive divisions, wouldn't favorability when awarding bids make that happen more often? Like we could add one child to our small j3 and become more likely to win a bid in a much smaller large junior 3 division, if that were to happen. As it is, the highest scoring teams are winning bids.

It's a division that will have 30+ teams two years in a row. The Summit was supposed to be the best of the best across all levels 1 thru 5. They should try to insure there is enough competition for everyone. There were division last year that had only 2 or 3 competitors. Let's be honest how big a win is it to beat one other team vs beating 30 plus teams. I think the Summit should strive to have at least 10 teams in a division. If necessary maybe cap some divisions at 30. If you are going to travel all that way and spend the money you should have cometition.

 

[amy1k]

It's a division that will have 30+ teams two years in a row. The Summit was supposed to be the best of the best across all level 1 thru 5. They should try to insure there is enough competition for everyone. There were division last year that had only 2 or 3 competitors. Let's be honest how big a win is it to beat one other team vs beating 30 plus teams. I think the Summit should strive to have at least 10 teams in a division. If necessary maybe cap some divisions at 30. If you are going to travel all that way and spend the money you should have cometition.

But, if it's the best-of-the-best, why would you allow some teams to attend without properly earning a bid? That's illogical. Along with the differing schedule of events. Maybe my J3 is a thousand times better than your J3, but their first bid competition isn't until February. There were easily 10+ J3s before my team even got a chance to TRY. For areas where the season starts later, you'd completely lose the chance to have them be customers. The events offering Summit bids would dwindle away and the Summit would become a competition that honored the best of the Southeast, or whatever. The customers get to decide if they want to face that much competition. I don't know what the solution is for teams that are represented in a small amount, but they are the minority for sure. When you are a small j3 (a division that is really competitive) you learn to lose even when you score high and do well. The competition is tight. They strive for perfection and accept that they may lose even if they reach it.

I mean, you are the one with the traditional bid. I don't even see why you care. Our team chose to take our chances. Will they win? Unlikely. The odds are stacked against them. But they'll try. I'm much less bothered by them having to face serious competition than I am that Y5s didn't even have to earn a spot.

 

[Pebbles49]

It's a division that will have 30+ teams two years in a row. The Summit was supposed to be the best of the best across all levels 1 thru 5. They should try to insure there is enough competition for everyone. There were division last year that had only 2 or 3 competitors. Let's be honest how big a win is it to beat one other team vs beating 30 plus teams. I think the Summit should strive to have at least 10 teams in a division. If necessary maybe cap some divisions at 30. If you are going to travel all that way and spend the money you should have cometition.

@CheerDad18 and that is exactly one of the reason why my daughter's team did not go last year, the lack of teams competing and the cost too, especially at the end of a long season...

 

[amy1k]

@CheerDad18 and that is exactly one of the reason why my daughter's team did not go last year, the lack of teams competing and the cost too, especially at the end of a long season...

Do youth 5s often attend competitions that offer a deep pool of competitors? Why would the Summit be any different? I guess I don't understand the logic. I mean, it's FINE to choose not to attend, but the circumstances shouldn't be a surprise.