All-Star Summit Bid Winners 2015

[amy1k]

I agree that they seem to be distributed strangely. I'm interested in how it will be done next year.

 

[SheCheers]

I agree that they seem to be distributed strangely. I'm interested in how it will be done next year.

My theory is they tend to distribute a higher % per team to comp's with low attendance in the hopes to increase the attendance.

 

[amy1k]

Hmm. It would be interesting to see real numbers. We never will, though. I feel like my are would benefit from your logic, and we have not.

 

[CheerDad18]

Last year we attend Cheersport which had 40 Bids this year there were only 30 bids with 1200 teams. We attended WSF they had 14 bids with about 600 teams. The competition here locally the American Classic had 8 bids guessing had 300 teams. The comp we are attending this weekend in Ohio has 15 bids guessing 600+ teams. We have 7 teams eligible for bids 4 teams have them 3 are Senior teams and 1 junior team.

 

[cheermomforever]

There is 19 bids in Mrytle beach this weekend. Don't have time to count teams!

 

[russscarce]

Each EP has discretion in handing out the bids however they want. I'm sure Varsity makes suggestions, but in the end, they get to choose who represents them at Worlds and Summit. The paid bids especially, since it is money that they are parting with. USA in Anaheim doesn't care if Spirit Sports, Cheersports and UCA haven't given a Y4 team a bid.

Bids are just like "RAW" scores....go figure that one out.

 

[CheerDad18]

Each EP has discretion in handing out the bids however they want. I'm sure Varsity makes suggestions, but in the end, they get to choose who represents them at Worlds and Summit. The paid bids especially, since it is money that they are parting with. USA in Anaheim doesn't care if Spirit Sports, Cheersports and UCA haven't given a Y4 team a bid.

Bids are just like "RAW" scores....go figure that one out.

Totally agree, a lot of Bids say it is at the sole discretion of the EP, Varsity gives them some guidelines. Not every EP awards them the same. Cheersport went and awarded them the next day after everyone went home and the paid bids were not awarded to the highest scoring teams. I read that NCA went to the highest scores and were award same day.

 

[FamousMatty]

Oh, @notyourcheermom, are you sure Summit is not World? (Sarcasm) I know the 2 are different, but what I was trying to say is with w/c bids, many of those teams did not them in the same manner as the At-Large and Paid bids, which many of the w/c bids were given out at 1 day competitions, not the same intensity of a 2 day events... what I recalled at Worlds many of the At-Large bid teams started on Friday, which they had prelims and those 20 teams moved to Semis with the Paid bids and finally, Finals... Why should Summit be any different?

All WC bids are from one day events. Also only small coed and small senior who are much larger divisions started on Friday for worlds not everyone. I think what the original poster was saying is that the Summit is not worlds in the sense it is a completely different competition put on by a different event producer so what works for one is not going to work for another. You can't just assume since worlds does it that it will work for summit. Also a bid is a bid. If a team earned one they deserve to be there just as much as anyone else.

 

[russscarce]

Totally agree, a lot of Bids say it is at the sole discretion of the EP, Varsity gives them some guidelines. Not every EP awards them the same. Cheersport went and awarded them the next day after everyone went home and the paid bids were not awarded to the highest scoring teams. I read that NCA went to the highest scores and were award same day.

You're correct. Some will go to level grand champs, some will award to age groups with highest score and some will award it to who they want.

WC bids were created for financial reasons. Imagine how much additional revenue it brings to Varsity and Disney (who in turn helps Varsity). Count the WC bids and multiply that by 20 per team (very conservative). The hotels, park tickets, event spectator entrance fees, concessions, etc.

Let's not fool ourselves into thinking this was to appease parents and coaches saying it was to hard to get a bid. Varsity is a big business, you can't fault them for wanting to come out with the iPhone 6 equivalent we all had to have.

 

[Helen uk uni cheer]

For the European Summit we have a completley different system of handing out bids. I don't know how or if they are being given out in Europe but I know in the uk the 3 major EP's (Future Cheer, ICC, BCA) have banded together and at each of their nationals the top three teams from each age and level get a bid. If you have a bid it gets passed down to the next team in your division. There should be atleast 9 teams in divisions unless it is really small also cheersport wales gives some out but not sure how they are handed out

 

[luv2cheer92]

Do you think that will make it easier for them to get Summit bids?

I think my thoughts are coming from a memory of a discussion at some point about crossovers between y5 and other teams. I could have sworn some people were posting that there were quite a few YE kids with only lower level tumbling and that's why they crossed to a y3.

Yea it would be hard to compare since Y5 has been restricted since the Summit started. But your previous point makes sense, you do typically see Y5 teams that don't max out tumbling, some J5 as well, but not quite as much. I feel like J5 might also be at somewhat of a disadvantage since they are the only true Level 5 division (meaning not restricted) that can go to the Summit, they would really have to max out those skills.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

This is how it was explained to us for Y5:
Youth elite and all youth 5 teams have always been an at large
The reality is if bids had gone by level then 11 year olds holding 9 year olds were at a disadvantage to senior restricted 5 teams with an 8 year age gap

If bids are given by age it is far easier to have - team of youth age back walk overs than a whole team of the same age throwing two to fulls

So this division is at a disadvantage either way

I would venture to say that this is true for Y4 since no yes have bids at this point.

This is how what was explained to you? That y5 was given their bids? I'm confused with this explanation, because it doesn't seem to explain anything that's different about y5 than any other division.

Wouldn't this be true for all levels? Not just level 5. Senior levels 1-4 also have 8 year age gaps. And youth 1-4 also have 11 year olds holding 9 year olds.

It'd be the same for age. It would still be easier to field a team with full team back handsprings than a team with full team fulls. Whether it's youth or senior... It's simple statistics.

So I'm still not sure how y5 is different or at a special disadvantage in this.

ETA I get that their division is tiny and they never have real competition etc etc etc - I'm only replying to the explanation you offered.

 

[catlady]

You're correct. Some will go to level grand champs, some will award to age groups with highest score and some will award it to who they want.

WC bids were created for financial reasons. Imagine how much additional revenue it brings to Varsity and Disney (who in turn helps Varsity). Count the WC bids and multiply that by 20 per team (very conservative). The hotels, park tickets, event spectator entrance fees, concessions, etc.

Let's not fool ourselves into thinking this was to appease parents and coaches saying it was to hard to get a bid. Varsity is a big business, you can't fault them for wanting to come out with the iPhone 6 equivalent we all had to have.

Varsity is a big business and it is about money, however, to get that money, they listened to their consumer. Prior to the Summit's existence, parents and athletes were on this board stating how their child, or they (athlete) would never make it to World's and wouldn't it be nice if we had a lower level World's....low and behold, it's here.
We are directing this industry more than people are willing to admit, and yes, they listen for the money. WC's, yes, were added for additional money, however, it was because there were parents and athletes out there whose gym didn't attend many 2 day events and those parents and athletes started clamoring they wanted to be included. Many small gyms don't go to 2 day comps, so add WC's to those 1 day events and lo and behold they're happy and Varsity makes more money because now more people attend. Bid events are over for our gym but, we still have parents willing to go to another travel comp for their child's team to get a bid, that's not Varsity, that's parents. No offense but, we are the foolish ones if we don't believe this money making industry ISN'T driven and directed by us. We say "we want", they listen, and they happily take our money. Gym owners are the ones, IMO, that have the tough job of determining "how much is too much" before the quantity of events consumes too much time and money (for them and their parents) and takes away from the quality of their program.

 

[ryleighsmum7]

Do youth 5s often attend competitions that offer a deep pool of competitors? Why would the Summit be any different? I guess I don't understand the logic. I mean, it's FINE to choose not to attend, but the circumstances shouldn't be a surprise.

Youth 5 does not have a lot of competition.... There are minimal teams and not close by to each other...

 

[Just-a-Mom]

Youth 5 does not have a lot of competition.... There are minimal teams and not close by to each other...

That was her point. The person she was responding to said they opted not to go to summit because they wouldn't have enough competition there. She was pointing out that that's true all season, so the Summit having no competition for them shouldn't have been any different or a surprise.

@amy1k I do not know why I am the only person that can understand your posts. [emoji12]