All-Star True Coed Stunting Deduction

[King]

Was running today and thought of this idea (but i am not completely sure how it would work yet). What if for all coed teams there was a true coed stunting score. The level would be the highest (so difficulty would be 8-9, and non-true coed stunting would be 7-8) kinda thing. There would be deductions for each stunt where the side put his hands on it, but only up until it drops you down to the level below. No deductions past 8 for difficulty. So it would reward true coed stunting, and no hands on, but not to the point where it degrades anything else.

 

[Southern Cheer]

I like it!

 

[Cheer Dad]

So a deduction for a side assist? Instead if deduction why not just keep that on lower point bracket?

 

[12stepCheermom]

Just thinking out loud....

I think if it's choreographed to have a side assist is scores lower since it isn't a true coed, but if it is a true coed and the side spotter has to step in and save it, balance it out etc...(clearly stepping in to help when it's supposed to be a true coed) then it gets a deduction. On par with a bobble but on the bases part. And if the flyer drops a body position, and the side assist has to step in and save it....you just racked up two. That might keep teams that don't have that skill from trying to put it up just to increase their raw score, and reward the ones that really do have that skill competition ready.

 

[King]

So a deduction for a side assist? Instead if deduction why not just keep that on lower point bracket?

Idea being if 5 stunts went up and look like they were intended to be without a side and one does touch it, it is now a deduction. Currently there is nothing hurting anyone if less than a majority touch the stunt. I will tell you as a stunter it takes a lot more fortitude to know that no one else is touching your stunt but you.

 

[Cheer Dad]

Idea being if 5 stunts went up and look like they were intended to be without a side and one does touch it, it is now a deduction. Currently there is nothing hurting anyone if less than a majority touch the stunt. I will tell you as a stunter it takes a lot more fortitude to know that no one else is touching your stunt but you.

That makes sense. So if intended to go up as assisted coed then no deduction just a lower point value is attainable?

 

[King]

That makes sense. So if intended to go up as assisted coed then no deduction just a lower point value is attainable?

Yeah.

 

[Cheer Dad]

Would same point value apply for a girl base with girl flyer or say perhaps a girl base and boy flyer?

 

[xtremeteal4life]

yes

 

[CGAcheer]

So what if your last group needs the side, do you just not put up the stunt at all?

And am I the only one who isn't a huge fan of the unassisted coed requirement? I like watching complex transitions and skills in a two base stunt way more than watching someone do a toss stretch pop down. Really unless you are doing a toss full up to the top, you are getting a lot of credit for a level 3 or 4 skill

 

[xtremeteal4life]

So what if your last group needs the side, do you just not put up the stunt at all?

And am I the only one who isn't a huge fan of the unassisted coed requirement? I like watching complex transitions and skills in a two base stunt way more than watching someone do a toss stretch pop down. Really unless you are doing a toss full up to the top, you are getting a lot of credit for a level 3 or 4 skill

Then why is it so hard for people to do?

 

[CGAcheer]

Then why is it so hard for people to do?

Guess I should have worded that better, despite being difficult it is legal in 3/4 and to an extent legal in level 2 to do a walk in extension. But just because something is legal for a certain level doesn't make it easy, I'm seeing all sorts of level 5 teams doing variations of a handstand up to something which can be legal at level 2. But as a spectator I prefer the look of more complex stunts that 2 bases can do vs the perhaps equally difficult but legal at lower levels unassisted stunts

 

[12stepCheermom]

Rule clarification....at what level can you do a true unassisted toss to hands extension in a two leg stunt? What about toss to hands extension in a one leg stunt. I read the new varsity grid but I'm still fuzzy on that. It seemed like you could only hold a two leg at prep level at level three and only extend with two legs at level four. But, I might be entirely wrong, I wasn't really getting that part. ASCheerMan can you help?

 

[ASCheerMan]

So what if your last group needs the side, do you just not put up the stunt at all?

And am I the only one who isn't a huge fan of the unassisted coed requirement? I like watching complex transitions and skills in a two base stunt way more than watching someone do a toss stretch pop down. Really unless you are doing a toss full up to the top, you are getting a lot of credit for a level 3 or 4 skill

I hear ya, but I don't feel like the coed requirement has detracted teams from doing the complex transitions.

I understand the point that toss to hands are technically a L3 skill, but there are a lot of examples where the USASF progressions aren't technically perfect and lots of examples where the scoring system isn't driven 100% by what's level appropriate.

 

[ASCheerMan]

Rule clarification....at what level can you do a true unassisted toss to hands extension in a two leg stunt? What about toss to hands extension in a one leg stunt. I read the new varsity grid but I'm still fuzzy on that. It seemed like you could only hold a two leg at prep level at level three and only extend with two legs at level four. But, I might be entirely wrong, I wasn't really getting that part. ASCheerMan can you help?

It's 630am, Pre coffee, but I THINK toss to hands are legal at L3. Extended, unbraced liberty (regardless of number of Bases) is also legal at L3.