All-Star What Is The Best Way To Distribute Worlds Bids?

[Ignis Pater]

Currently, the paid bids are the EP's USASF dues. So the rule is that the paid bids HAVE to be awarded. How would you change that?

That quality information that I didn't know. I guess if Company owners, Varsity and a few others, and a lot of program owners thought it would be good idea they could make some changes.

 

[socratesofcheer]

That's an issue with scoring rubrics, then. The way to solve that problem isn't to ignore it.

Maybe. However, a basket toss thrown by 4 males is certain to go higher than a basket thrown by 4 females. Since height is a portion of the basket toss score you can not accurately compare an unlimited coed to an all girl team.
Now if they had the cool "big air" light that they use at the X-Games then you could come up with some type of equation to figure out the percentage of coed vs. all-girl basket heights.

 

[socratesofcheer]

Maybe. However, a basket toss thrown by 4 males is certain to go higher than a basket thrown by 4 females. Since height is a portion of the basket toss score you can not accurately compare an unlimited coed to an all girl team.
Now if they had the cool "big air" light that they use at the X-Games then you could come up with some type of equation to figure out the percentage of coed vs. all-girl basket heights.

This then creates the casual spectator problem. If the casual spectator can't pick up the gist of the sport in a short time there is no casual interest. Sports with casual interest are the ones that are the more respected.

 

[King]

This then creates the casual spectator problem. If the casual spectator can't pick up the gist of the sport in a short time there is no casual interest. Sports with casual interest are the ones that are the more respected.

San Dimas High School Football RULES!

 

[ACEDAD]

Maybe. However, a basket toss thrown by 4 males is certain to go higher than a basket thrown by 4 females. Since height is a portion of the basket toss score you can not accurately compare an unlimited coed to an all girl team.
Now if they had the cool "big air" light that they use at the X-Games then you could come up with some type of equation to figure out the percentage of coed vs. all-girl basket heights.

This then creates the casual spectator problem. If the casual spectator can't pick up the gist of the sport in a short time there is no casual interest. Sports with casual interest are the ones that are the more respected.

Wait? Did you just quote yourself and then post?

So I could have an ongoing conversation and exclude everyone else? My very own thread where no one dares disagree!?

Sweet!

 

[socratesofcheer]

Wait? Did you just quote yourself and then post?

So I could have an ongoing conversation and exclude everyone else? My very own thread where no one dares disagree!?

Sweet!

yes and if @kingston would allow me to shimmy my posts I wouldn't need any of you.

 

[King]

yes and if @kingston would allow me to shimmy my posts I wouldn't need any of you.

What can I say? I like making you co-dependent.

 

[tumbleyoda]

Then the next "best" team would receive a bid. And for the record I don't believe I have said anyone is watering down the talent at worlds.

If you would like a real life example see UCA nationals and Orlando Allstars. I would definitely say they were one of the "best" teams at UCA and did not receive a bid due to the EP's bid process. I certainly do not think that OA will dilute the talent level at worlds.

No you did not say anyone was watering down the talent at Worlds, yet that seems to be a common complaint on the boards. I was only asking your opinion. Sorry if you thought I was implying you said it because you did not.

Back to the point. At what point do you think the next "best" team ceases to be bid worthy and the EP would have to not give out the bid? Score? Skills? Personally I would like to see a minimum raw score and performance score to qualify. If you just use raw score people will stack routines to hit that regardless to whether they can truly do everything in the routine. I also would like to see the final decision made on the last day of the competition instead of selecting the best on the first day to be in the mix for the bids and leaving out other teams who just may pull it off a surprise win.

 

[Rudags]

One competition I heard did this, and I think it would actually work along the lines of "eye picking the best"

Have a two day competition. The WINNER (or the highest team in each division without a paid bid) of each division competes in GRANDS. Within GRANDS - they can better see who will represent them best at Worlds. Scores are dropped from the competition and you pick the best however many.

I havent quite figured out how this woudl work for Cheersport or Indy where there are SEVERAL paid bids, but for smaller events, I like it.

 

[cheermom5678]

Currently, the paid bids are the EP's USASF dues. So the rule is that the paid bids HAVE to be awarded. How would you change that?

so if a paid bid was awarded to a small team rather than a large team, does the EP get to keep the difference in money or does it go to USASF dues? or am I misunderstanding the USASF dues? I guess I'm asking who benefits from having a small team awarded a paid bid over a large team, USASF or the EP?

 

[Just-a-Mom]

An event producer offers UP TO X number of paid bids and Y at-large. Then the paid bids go to the highest scoring division winners. In order to win a paid bid a team would have to score 97% (just made that up) of max score. If no team or less than X score high enough then the bid is not given out. If it is late in the year and a big competition such as NCA has 6 paid then non division winning teams may be in line, if so they would have to score 98% of the division winners score. At-large bids could be based on a slightly lower percentage. If all the paid bids advertised were not given out, the corresponding number of at-larges would be held back as well. This would allow EPs to advertise a certain number of bids could be given out and save money if the score do not reach the level required. This also ensure that the best of the best go to Worlds. I am not trying to start a new thread or trouble with this statement but 60+ small senior is not the best of the best, it's everybody.

Everyone already thinks the EPs tell the judges how to score. So basically in your scenario, if I'm an EP and I want to make some money...I advertise bids, tell the judges to score low and VOILA! No/less bids given out=money for me??? This doesn't seem like it could last for long.

 

[Num1Stunta]

I think all Level 5 and 6 teams should be required to register with the USASF by a certain date (say Oct 1) if they are planning on competing for a Worlds bid within that season. Then, the number of teams in each division could be predetermined, and they could decide how many bids should be available for each division.

Using Lg Senior as an example- i don't even know if there are any teams out there in lg sr with no bids. That's kind of an issue. Say there may be 20 Lg Sr teams in the whole country, so almost 75% would have received bids? to me, it should be the top 25% or the top half maybe. So, someone would need to keep track of how many bids are allowed to be given out for each division.

In other words, out of 10 Worlds divisions, say you have 110 available bids. The division with the most number of teams registered would get a proportionally higher percentage of those bids. So, maybe like this:

20- Small Senior
20- Small Limited
15- IOC5
10- Large Senior
10- Large Limited
10- Coed 6
5- Semi
10 bids left to split between Unlimited, AG5, and AG6

But, in order for that system to work, you would need to have a uniform scoring system across the boards, and you would need to scrutinize companies a bit more as to who is "worthy" of awarding bids. (Not for nothing, but Cheer Tech? Come on guys) I like what a lot of people are saying on here about a more organized local to regional to national system, too. And @Rudags mentioned a system similar to NCA college, which I think is a good idea too.

 

[yojaehs]

If all Worlds teams are judged by the same panel, I say highest scores, regardless of division. If they are scored by different panels, I say highest scoring division winners

Are times 10,000

 

[redsmom]

Last bid comp Reach the Beach this weekend. Looks like they will give one full paid bid and one at large to "club" divisions, and the other two at larges to international divisions (5 & 6). So 9 "club" teams going for the Full Paid (8 of which currently have At Larges), by default the team with no bid should get the At Large (unless they win the Full) regardless of their score or place. Hopefully that team will rock the house and no one will question their "right" to go to worlds. On the other side, the two At large bids have brought the All Girl 6 teams out of the woodwork! Eight of them going for an At Large, in addition to 3 IOC5 teams. Good luck to all of them!

 

[cheerlove]

i feel like if judges did the "eyeball test" it would create alot of drama and politic issues. especially if 2nd place got a bid but not first. i would have a problem with that even if i was second place. personally i think raw score might be a good place to start