All-Star What Is The Best Way To Distribute Worlds Bids?

[jcheermom]

The BEST teams get them. Regardless of division, score, or whatever.

Then how do you determine what teams are the best teams if you don't use scores?

 

[flcheermom]

This past weekend at Islands of Adventure, in Orlando, there was a bid competition - Universal Spirit. There were 4 bids to give out - 2 At large, 2 Partial Paid. There were only 6 level 5/6 teams there. Here is the breakdown ~ ONE Sr level 5 team, ONE Sr. Limted Coed. TWO Open Coed 6 and TWO Interntational Open Coed 5. (I did not look to see which of these teams already had bids, but I do know a couple already had at larges).
Total Cheer teams at the comp - 102 - which was 32 school/rec teams and 70 cheer teams. I think its competitions like these that need to be eliminated from being able to give out bids. I am only using this competition as an example, and because I am familiar with this one. This competition is VERY expensive to attend even for local teams, so this must be how they get their money to be able to afford the bids - It is in a theme park - a 2 day comp....so the cheerleader has to pay for park admission for a 2 day pass to compete. Parents have to pay the park price also - PLUS an entrance fee to go into the venue to watch the competition (in the past, it was a $15.00 spectator fee, per day) So, if a team is looking to upgrade to a partial paid from an at large, in some cases, it may be cheaper to just pay for the at large bid, then pay for this comp.
I do think there are too many bids being given out,( and my daughter's team is one that only has an at large) - I don't blame teams for getting the bids and going to worlds, that is their choice to make once they get the bid. We were an underdog team last year on at at large and placed well...it can happen, so I would not want to ever say a team is not worthy of going to worlds, especially if they earn a bid - I just think there are too many competions that give them out. I don't really have an answer to that except to maybe consolidate the bids at bigger comps/nationals - and award at large bids to teams that meet a certain score after the paid/partials are given out. There are teams that do well on at large bids, and depending on what comps they go to, that may be all they are able to get - but if they score a set score, and recieve an at large, then they definately belong at worlds with the paid bids.

 

[ACEDAD]

This past weekend at Islands of Adventure, in Orlando, there was a bid competition - Universal Spirit. There were 4 bids to give out - 2 At large, 2 Partial Paid. There were only 6 level 5/6 teams there. Here is the breakdown ~ ONE Sr level 5 team, ONE Sr. Limted Coed. TWO Open Coed 6 and TWO Interntational Open Coed 5. (I did not look to see which of these teams already had bids, but I do know a couple already had at larges).
Total Cheer teams at the comp - 102 - which was 32 school/rec teams and 70 cheer teams. I think its competitions like these that need to be eliminated from being able to give out bids.

Here are the requirements for event producers to be members and it outlines their bid abilities/requirements.

https://ismmedia.com/usasf.net/ISM2//Member Documents /USASF_Eventproducer_Membership_09.pdf

Events that continue to drop team counts like this one will go away of their own accord.

 

[Ignis Pater]

Everyone already thinks the EPs tell the judges how to score. So basically in your scenario, if I'm an EP and I want to make some money...I advertise bids, tell the judges to score low and VOILA! No/less bids given out=money for me??? This doesn't seem like it could last for long.

It is just an idea. Maybe there are 4 or 5 ideas that could be combined to make one really good plan. I would just like to see the divisions with 40 plus teams trimmed down a little. I know it may be a unpopular thought but I don't think every team should go to Worlds. I feel that if a team scores 88% of the first place teams score, and hit their routine, they probably have no chance of winning and shouldn't be there. Worlds was best, in my eyes, in '05 and '06. Most every team could win. Much more prestigious. Just my thoughts.

 

[flcheermom]

Here are the requirements for event producers to be members and it outlines their bid abilities/requirements.

https://ismmedia.com/usasf.net/ISM2//Member Documents /USASF_Eventproducer_Membership_09.pdf

Events that continue to drop team counts like this one will go away of their own accord.

This comp has been like this for awhile - very small with the amount of level 5/6 teams that attend for bids. It has been this way at this comp for the last few years, it may very well now be on its way out though. I was just using this comp as an example, because it has still managed to hang on and give out bids.

 

[flcheermom]

This comp has been like this for awhile - very small with the amount of level 5/6 teams that attend for bids. It has been this way at this comp for the last few years, it may very well now be on its way out though. I was just using this comp as an example, because it has still managed to hang on and give out bids.

*The last time I attended this comp was about 4 years ago, and I don't recall there being that many level 5/6 teams even then. *

 

[Just-a-Mom]

It is just an idea. Maybe there are 4 or 5 ideas that could be combined to make one really good plan. I would just like to see the divisions with 40 plus teams trimmed down a little. I know it may be a unpopular thought but I don't think every team should go to Worlds. I feel that if a team scores 88% of the first place teams score, and hit their routine, they probably have no chance of winning and shouldn't be there. Worlds was best, in my eyes, in '05 and '06. Most every team could win. Much more prestigious. Just my thoughts.

I do like the idea...we just have to come up with something to do with the extra paid bids besides EP keeping the money. And by "we" I mean not me because I can only come up with the devil's advocate part. :D

We weren't in cheer yet in 05 & 06 so I don't know what it was like then. I wish I did because I'd probably have a whole different opinion on all this. Everyone keeps saying it was better back then...

(Oh and by the way your name is probably my all time favorite name on the boards! LOL I love it)

 

[Ignis Pater]

(Oh and by the way your name is probably my all time favorite name on the boards! LOL I love it)

I love Latin, I just wish I could speak it.

 

[socratesofcheer]

i feel like if judges did the "eyeball test" it would create alot of drama and politic issues. especially if 2nd place got a bid but not first. i would have a problem with that even if i was second place. personally i think raw score might be a good place to start

If the 2nd Place team was better don't you think they would have won to begin with?

 

[socratesofcheer]

Then how do you determine what teams are the best teams if you don't use scores?

Have you ever compared a few teams or do you carry around a stack of scoresheets so that you can score each one?

 

[cheerlove]

If the 2nd Place team was better don't you think they would have won to begin with?

haha i meant it in the way that maybe a really famous and world champion gym didnt hit their routine but first place did but the world champion gym got the bid because they were more likely to make top 10 at worlds kind of thing.... (does that make sense? i feel like im not explaining it correctly haha)

 

[King]

I like the idea you can never skip over a higher placing team to give a bid to a lower placing team. They could give all the bids in one division if desired. But not to team 3-7 if teams 1 & 2 don't have bids.

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[hihocheerio]

I like the idea you can never skip over a higher placing team to give a bid to a lower placing team. They could give all the bids in one division if desired. But not to team 3-7 if teams 1 & 2 don't have bids.

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I agree! It's all about hitting the routine. 'They have a great routine (but didn't hit)....amazing point flyer (but she fell)...Last pass tumbler can do stuff I've only dreamed of (unfortunately he/she busted)'. A performance like that should not win necessarily IF another team hits clean with solid Level 5 skills. A team "you know is good" doesn't deserve the bid on EP choice if they don't perform and execute, period. They certainly don't do that at Worlds (Can you imagine? Well Team B WOULD have looked amazing if they hit so let's give them the win) . Nothing is more aggravating then teams that hit and execute a solid Level 5 routine not getting their accolades just because they may be up against a bigger name team. Marketing is huge in this industry and it's a shame that if you are one of the top 5 "names" out there you are almost a nobody. Never underestimate the "little guy", they work just as hard as everyone else.

 

[King]

I agree! It's all about hitting the routine. 'They have a great routine (but didn't hit)....amazing point flyer (but she fell)...Last pass tumbler can do stuff I've only dreamed of (unfortunately he/she busted)'. A performance like that should not win necessarily IF another team hits clean with solid Level 5 skills. A team "you know is good" doesn't deserve the bid on EP choice if they don't perform and execute, period. They certainly don't do that at Worlds (Can you imagine? Well Team B WOULD have looked amazing if they hit so let's give them the win) . Nothing is more aggravating then teams that hit and execute a solid Level 5 routine not getting their accolades just because they may be up against a bigger name team. Marketing is huge in this industry and it's a shame that if you are one of the top 5 "names" out there you are almost a nobody. Never underestimate the "little guy", they work just as hard as everyone else.

Let me just clarify though. If the small senior division is STACKED and teams 1- 9 already have paid bids, but team 10 does not, and team 10 in small senior is SIGNIFICANTLY better than the first place team in unlimited coed, I think you can give that small team the bid over unlimited.

 

[hihocheerio]

I agree with that. That's where maybe top scores becomes the guideline for determining who gets bids.