Worlds Roster Rules

[CDRCoach17]

I think most people all want the same thing: clear defined rules that we feel everyone has to play by. If the playing field is level then there is a sense of fairness. What irks me is when you fell like (and heck, some of you make 'know') that someone is taking an illegal advantage. To play the same game as someone else and get beaten? Well, I dont like to lose BUT I can deal with that. To know someone is cheating to get there and beat you... thats what I think we all have problems with.

Losing I do not have a problem with. It is more of the integrity of the sport. It is about teaching these kids to do things the right way and to lead by example.

 

[Mclovin]

Ok, someone help me. (I know. I know I should know this, but new here with regards to worlds bids): Ok, here goes. I was told by a company that if my team got a bid to worlds, the participants had to be at the event. Is that correct? EXAMPLE: team A gets a bid without 2 of its regular members, 2 subs fill in at that event for them. Are all 4 eligible to compete at worlds if the 2 regular members were not at the bid giving event even though they are regular members of the team but could not be there for that competition?

You are allowed 3 alternates that DID NOT compete at the competition where you received the bid. So yes, the two athletes you had would be able to compete at worlds if you listed them as your alternates on your paperwork. IF you did not list those two athletes as alternates on your paperwork, they would not be eligible to compete with you. At least that's how it's supposed to work.

 

[Deleted member 15]

The exception to participants being at the qualifying event is the list of alternates. At bid giving events coaches are supposed to turn in a list of alternates and the kids on the list are eligible to for Worlds even though they did not participate at the qualifier. I assume this was put in place so athletes that are truly part of a team, but were injured and unable to compete at a qualifier, would still have the opportunity to compete with their team at Worlds.

Ok, someone help me. (I know. I know I should know this, but new here with regards to worlds bids): Ok, here goes. I was told by a company that if my team got a bid to worlds, the participants had to be at the event. Is that correct? EXAMPLE: team A gets a bid without 2 of its regular members, 2 subs fill in at that event for them. Are all 4 eligible to compete at worlds if the 2 regular members were not at the bid giving event even though they are regular members of the team but could not be there for that competition?

 

[hopskipandjump]

I think most people all want the same thing: clear defined rules that we feel everyone has to play by. If the playing field is level then there is a sense of fairness. What irks me is when you fell like (and heck, some of you make 'know') that someone is taking an illegal advantage. To play the same game as someone else and get beaten? Well, I dont like to lose BUT I can deal with that. To know someone is cheating to get there and beat you... thats what I think we all have problems with.

Is it possible that some people are taking illegal advantage because the rules are too hard to follow (or find for that matter) and they are not doing it on purpose? (And thanks McLovin, like I said, new to Worlds bid, but going for it this year and want to do it by the book).

 

[GoldGal]

What irks me is when you fell like (and heck, some of you make 'know') that someone is taking an illegal advantage. To play the same game as someone else and get beaten? Well, I dont like to lose BUT I can deal with that. To know someone is cheating to get there and beat you... thats what I think we all have problems with.

Amen!!!

 

[GoldGal]

Is it possible that some people are taking illegal advantage because the rules are too hard to follow (or find for that matter) and they are not doing it on purpose?

Possibly. But that is definitley not what I was referring to.

The rules are listed clearly on the website and in the bid packet. It is not hard to find. Coaches who are striving for a Worlds bid should do the necessary research to know the rules. I do think it would be wise to have all coaches who are competing for a bid turn in a form signing off on the rules. It could be turned in with the roster and list of alternates.

 

[hopskipandjump]

Possibly. But that is definitley not what I was referring to.

The rules are listed clearly on the website and in the bid packet. It is not hard to find. Coaches who are striving for a Worlds bid should do the necessary research to know the rules. I do think it would be wise to have all coaches who are competing for a bid turn in a form signing off on the rules. It could be turned in with the roster and list of alternates.

Please forgive me if I am dense, but WHERE on the website are the rules for worlds bids and the requirements? If you have never received a bid packet, than you would not have them either. Thank you.

 

[King]

Please forgive me if I am dense, but WHERE on the website are the rules for worlds bids and the requirements? If you have never received a bid packet, than you would not have them either. Thank you.

They are on there, just NOT easy to find. Go to travel, and look at the worlds travel packet, and in there you will find the Worlds rules.

 

[GoldGal]

Please forgive me if I am dense, but WHERE on the website are the rules for worlds bids and the requirements?

Not dense at all! :) I don't have my laptop with me to know if it is in another place as well, but I know that I have always looked in the bid packet that is posted online. We compete very early, and it was up in time last year.

 

[hopskipandjump]

Not dense at all! :) I don't have my laptop with me to know if it is in another place as well, but I know that I have always looked in the bid packet that is posted online. We compete very early, and it was up in time last year.

I PM'd you. Sorry to everyone on the boards that hate when people post that....

 

[ACEDAD]

I PM'd you. Sorry to everyone on the boards that hate when people post that....

Here's the page with the travel info for Cheer and Dance.

http://usasf.net/worlds/travel/

There is a pdf file that you can download so you don't have to keep going back to the page. That's what I do.

 

[wcdad]

I think rosters submitted as well could be posted online (with just the first initial of the first name) that are submitted to the event producer.

Also, post the pics and rosters between day 1 and 2. It's not technically hard to do and prevents people from throwing a fit that something fishy happened the week after the comp.

You are right, it is not hard to do and should be done.

How long are event producer to keep rosters on file? Is there any time frame? I know where I work we must keep all records for 7 years.

 

[Mclovin]

You are right, it is not hard to do and should be done.

How long are event producer to keep rosters on file? Is there any time frame? I know where I work we must keep all records for 7 years.

Very good question! I would have thought at least 3-5 years anyway.

 

[wcdad]

Perhaps, but by changing that simple wording it suddenly makes it illegal to borrow athletes from other gyms all star programs for worlds. It is another hurdle to jump for gyms trying to skirt the system. The more hurdles we make people jump, the less it will occur. It also can be taken to the USASF in complaint, and it would give the USASF something concrete to enforce. The current wording is just to grey, and if gyms say "oh they took a tumbling class here" then USASF cannot stop it. However, if they must show them on a roster from a USASF event, it suddenly gets a little harder, especially if they are on another GYMS roster. No it's not perfect, but it will be a few years before your amazing system gets put into place. So for now, it's a simple fix that will help the situation.

ETA: let's say I found out a worlds team was using athletes from another gym for their worlds team, and I KNOW for a fact those athletes were on another all star team. I file a complaint with USASF, then USASF calls the event producer and sees the athletes were NOT on the roster. As a person filing a complaint I can also inform them which all star team they ACTUALLY cheer for. USASF can also pull the roster from the event producer showing they cheered for the other gym. Now it's enforceable. No more "member" issues and teams saying "oh they tumbled here". It's really easy for a gym to go back and back-date and invoice showing so and so tumbled with you for proof. It's much harded to go back and add an illegal athlete to a roster at a competition when the roster is submitted to USASF by the event producer.

You are assuming that the rosters are being keept on file and are not lost or misplaced. Again is there any length of time that a company must keep a roster on file?

 

[hopskipandjump]

You are assuming that the rosters are being keept on file and are not lost or misplaced. Again is there any length of time that a company must keep a roster on file?

I owned a company and worked for a company...I saw no hard and fast rules about length of time to keep rosters. Being a pack rat myself, we always kept ours and moved them into a storage place for safe keeping when things got too crowded.