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[SharkDad]

So now it's not PG & E, it's the Royal Manticoran Navy?

I give enough credit to people if they experience, see or hear anything illegal, they'll give that information to the proper authority for the courts to decide. Otherwise, there's "tea" and then there's just "bitterness" on how things evolve, go down, and how people say it should be versus the law.

I'll just end my portion in this thread by stating any other "tea" event post you quote me in, my response above remains the same. If it's illegal I don't support or condone it. If it's legal, we have the choice to support it or not. That has been, and always will be, the "tea".

@catlady and anyone else who wants to make sure to read page 15 on of this SCOTUS brief that legally describes the monopolistic practices of Varsity using legal precedent. Even if not reversed, should the sport accept Varsity practices as not being wrong?

 

[SharkDad]

I'd say the Royal Manticoran Navy pretty much dumped some tea in the "harbor"
(Pg. 15) in their amicus brief to SCOTUS:
http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/15-866-tsac-TheRoyalManticoranNavy.pdf

Thanks for this link. I have been describing the Varsity monopolistic practices for years and didn't realize it was actually described in the Supreme Court case. I hope it gains traction and leads to more cases that can create change.

 

[coachrah]

So now it's not PG & E, it's the Royal Manticoran Navy?

I give enough credit to people if they experience, see or hear anything illegal, they'll give that information to the proper authority for the courts to decide. Otherwise, there's "tea" and then there's just "bitterness" on how things evolve, go down, and how people say it should be versus the law.

I'll just end my portion in this thread by stating any other "tea" event post you quote me in, my response above remains the same. If it's illegal I don't support or condone it. If it's legal, we have the choice to support it or not. That has been, and always will be, the "tea".

PG&E, the NFL, and NHL were examples of the boardroom decisions and how those protective business decisions effect the unprotected class in a lawsuit.

The Royal Manticoran Navy amicus brief is a current legal document. It is not stale bitter tea. No doubt written by an owlish legal team on behalf of poetic justice.

 

[catlady]

@catlady and anyone else who wants to make sure to read page 15 on of this SCOTUS brief that legally describes the monopolistic practices of Varsity using legal precedent. Even if not reversed, should the sport accept Varsity practices as not being wrong?

There are many kids walking through the doors of gyms each year. They walk through those doors for a variety of reasons but, I will dare say not one child is walking out because they feel there are antitrust issues going on. IMO, our kids are the sport and parents will continue to let them enjoy it, or not. It is, was, and continues to be our love of bids and other things that got us here.

Behind every "tea" is government. The tax and business revenue we are providing does not go unnoticed, we flood dollars into airlines, hotels, food/drink, entertainment, etc every comp we attend. You all are focused on the one you think is behind the curtain, I'm focused on the ones determining the outcome......<cough> government <cough>. I have much larger issues with food and drugs than with cheerleading, which is truly a choice. I know people like to blame the big bad Corps but, there's a much larger mother ship driving and determining outcomes.

 

[SharkDad]

@catlady I can see that your glasses are not rose colored but you are clearly wearing some.

The very reason this industry is allowed to carry on the way it does is because it is marketing to the kids, not the parents. They want to be at THAT gym, on THAT team, or get THAT bow, uniform, shoe, go to THAT competition. Don't rock the boat mom or dad, or your child will be moved to the back or not selected/kicked off of THAT team.

Missing in all of this is a viable competitive system, standardized and unwavering judging, coaching, and safety standards. I would hope that would matter to any parent of a child participating in this youth activity being run by this industry (I won't call it a sport on purpose for this post).

 

[MissCongeniality]

@catlady I can see that your glasses are not rose colored but you are clearly wearing some.

The very reason this industry is allowed to carry on the way it does is because it is marketing to the kids, not the parents. They want to be at THAT gym, on THAT team, or get THAT bow, uniform, shoe, go to THAT competition. Don't rack the boat mom or dad, or your child will be moved to the back or not selected/kicked off of THAT team.

Missing in all of this is a viable competitive system, standardized and unwavering judging, coaching, and safety standards. I would hope that would matter to any parent of a child participating in this youth activity being run by this industry (I won't call it a sport on purpose for this post).

If I could I would shimmy this 1000 times!

 

[catlady]

@catlady I can see that your glasses are not rose colored but you are clearly wearing some.

The very reason this industry is allowed to carry on the way it does is because it is marketing to the kids, not the parents. They want to be at THAT gym, on THAT team, or get THAT bow, uniform, shoe, go to THAT competition. Don't rock the boat mom or dad, or your child will be moved to the back or not selected/kicked off of THAT team.

Missing in all of this is a viable competitive system, standardized and unwavering judging, coaching, and safety standards. I would hope that would matter to any parent of a child participating in this youth activity being run by this industry (I won't call it a sport on purpose for this post).

We're touching on several different points but, as far as marketing, I attached an article below. Key: Right now, kids choose entertainment 98% of the time and travel 94% of the time versus parents. When it comes to parents and kids, many have blamed their poor scores over the years on anything except talent and technique. As a result, kids and parents sought and seek out certain gyms, not for their great coaches and their admiration of skill but, because of those things they do that don't require actual work. It's a hard mentality to change because, it takes the attention away from actual skill and talent, and puts the focus on the things that support the talent instead. That is, IMO, why this industry has taken a "peculiar" path to some, while not so peculiar to those of us that have always realized kids enjoy playing with the plastic medical kit more than working for the actual medical degree.

My glasses see parents who are willing to spend, and over spend on their kids, and many times kids don't even ask. When parents start sending their kids to gyms because of technique, coaching, safety, discipline, and realize real sacrifice and hard work isn't an option versus Suzie deserves the best and the name will do all the work for her, things such as the edgy and blinged out uniforms, most expensive choreography/music, posh ponies, and spray tans will mean less. My glasses are fine, we just place the blame differently.

How Marketers Target Kids | MediaSmarts

 

[SharkDad]

Great, sounds like we agree, albeit with much different wording