All-Star 13-14 Varsity All Star Scoring System

[StuntMonkey]

If I ever meet her in person she is probably going to give me a sharp shot to the head... first I get her height wrong, now I inadvertently make fun of her hair and parentage. Time to go hide in a hole for a bit.

 

[ASCheerMan]

Once again Level 6 is the red-headed stepchild of the cheerleading world...

(...not that I have anything against red-heads or stepchildren)

LOL I knew this post was coming, although I expected to read it from @Ashley. We are waiting to release the scoring rubric for Level 6 until AFTER USASF Releases the rules for L6. We won't have anything to base their scoring on until their Safety Rules are complete.

 

[Ashley]

LOL I knew this post was coming, although I expected to read it from @Ashley. We are waiting to release the scoring rubric for Level 6 until AFTER USASF Releases the rules for L6. We won't have anything to base their scoring on until their Safety Rules are complete.

I knew the USASF rules were on hold, so I was keeping my mouth shut. Coordinating level 6 with college rules is a good thing!

 

[AndrewSky]

I'm digging the basing requirements.:cloud9:

 

[p.o.k.]

So with the new basing requirements a small level 5 team of 20 that for example only that only throws 4 baskets should score lower than a team that throws 5 correct? All things being equal in execution?

 

[uptown_outlaw]

With the basing category... If a team does a double up as in flyers hips spins twice... but bases are moving; changing positions... will this hurt on the basing part of it because of the movement?

 

[newcheerdad]

Common rubric is a difficult feat when you have two systems that are architecturally build differently from the ground up

That said, we laid out both rubrics side by side to see where the similarities and differences were. I was surprised to see that we already shared a lot of common ground, even though it may not be technically identical.

If you really want to improve the consistency of scoring and quality of judging, I am utterly convinced you need to have a common rubric at minimum.

While you'd ideally have a universal scoresheet, a common rubric doesn't mean you have to have one, mind you. You can weight difficulty or execution however you'd like, or have some components of a routine count more than others. But you should have a common rubric to start with that tells you that a particular skill executed in a particular way earns you "x" points no matter what competition you attend.

How that number of points ultimately fits into the scoresheet is basically math, and is up to an event producer to decide.

I hate to go back to soccer analogies, but again, I liken it to refereeing in tournaments. Every tournament has their own quirks about things like substitutions, time, etc. But 98% of what you do in soccer is the same no matter where you go. Cheer should strive for that. The fact that Varsity and Jambrands are even talking about scoring means that that goal isn't as far fetched as it may have been a few years ago.

 

[Audrey]

I'm not sure if this is new or not cause I don't know the scoresheet super well but I don't like how the only difference between the middle range and high range is "majority" vs "most". How on earth do you distinguish between the two? I always thought the terms to be synonymous.

 

[uptown_outlaw]

I'm not sure if this is new or not cause I don't know the scoresheet super well but I don't like how the only difference between the middle range and high range is "majority" vs "most". How on earth do you distinguish between the two? I always thought the terms to be synonymous.

Judges will measure level of participation by loosely applying the following guidelines: Majority = 50% +1, Most = 75%, Maximum = nearly 100%

 

[Audrey]

Judges will measure level of participation by loosely applying the following guidelines: Majority = 50% +1, Most = 75%, Maximum = nearly 100%

Thank you! Didn't see that. Still a little subjectivity there (like what qualifies as nearly 100% and the use of the word "loosely") but not nearly as bad as I thought.

 

[NJ Coach]

Thank you! Didn't see that. Still a little subjectivity there (like what qualifies as nearly 100% and the use of the word "loosely") but not nearly as bad as I thought.

on Jambrands, they distinguish it as full team, minus 2 athletes.

 

[uptown_outlaw]

Under scoring guidelines for level 1 it says to use "Pendulum and Pendulum-style transitions"
http://register.varsity.com/VAS/VAS%20Scoring%20Guidelines.pdf

But under Level 1 stunts in the rules, section G has been completely crossed-out.
http://usasfrules.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-14-Mark-up.pdf

I'm assuming Pendulum-style transitions are still legal for level 1..?

 

[hopskipandjump]

Pendulums are still allowed.


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[CoachMandiCF]

I am thrilled with the changes. Way to go Varsity!! I think you guys hit the nail on the head with the updates over last season!!


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[debesq97]

So with the new basing requirements a small level 5 team of 20 that for example only that only throws 4 baskets should score lower than a team that throws 5 correct? All things being equal in execution?

Isn't the basing requirement only applicable to "building" since the rubric includes front spots in the toss requirements?