College 2012 Uca College Nationals

[Mightymouse34]

took me 2 mins to find
http://forum.fierceboard.com/threads/uca-college-nationals.11798/page-4

congrats. that still doesn't answer my question to you on as why you think Kentucky was robbed.

 

[collegecheermum]

Congrats to the University of Memphis couples making it into UCA Partner Stunts! Gooo Tigers!

 

[ztaprincess]

I am excited to hear that Memphis is a contender this year in D1A coed. For the past few years I feel like it has really just been between Bama and UK so adding that 3rd team in there is exciting.

Here are the stunt taping results. Excited to see Whitney Love in a stunt groups, is she the flyer? I also really want to see Aisha and her group take home the win this year since I think it is her last year. I will say it is odd to not see any HPU groups on there (unless I missed them somehow).
http://uca.varsity.com/docs/ntls/12/college/12_StuntResults.pdf

 

[Kentucky Girl]

I didn't see any University of Delaware couples, either!

 

[ALittleBitTwisted]

I was talking to someone whose on a college team who attends UCA college nationals and she told me UCA is not receiving tapes for bids this year..is this true? I was told UCA is going to look back the past 7 years and go by those placements/scores. IMO this is a little ridiculous especially because those are almost all entirely different teams than the 11-12 team. Unfortunately, for this specific college they have placed very well the past few years, but their one 10th place caused them their paid bid :( Just curious if anyone knew more about this! I was also curious what this meant for colleges attending UCA College Nationals for the first time.

 

[ztaprincess]

I was talking to someone whose on a college team who attends UCA college nationals and she told me UCA is not receiving tapes for bids this year..is this true? I was told UCA is going to look back the past 7 years and go by those placements/scores. IMO this is a little ridiculous especially because those are almost all entirely different teams than the 11-12 team. Unfortunately, for this specific college they have placed very well the past few years, but their one 10th place caused them their paid bid :( Just curious if anyone knew more about this! I was also curious what this meant for colleges attending UCA College Nationals for the first time.

Yes this is how they did it but they didn't go back 7 years they only went back 3. They are going to change it again for next year according to their release so things will probably be more then. I personally prefer it this way because it seems that it will eventually be done the same way NCA hands out their bids (at camp) which personally I feel is the fair way to go because a tape can make that team look a lot different then they will look when they take the mat in Orlando. With editing and only filming things that hit constantly it can make a bad team look good. Here is the release that UCA posted online: http://www.uca.varsity.com/college_bids.aspx
And here is the thread where it is sort of talked about:
http://forum.fierceboard.com/threads/new-rules-for-uca-college-nationals.18471/

 

[ALittleBitTwisted]

Yes this is how they did it but they didn't go back 7 years they only went back 3. They are going to change it again for next year according to their release so things will probably be more then. I personally prefer it this way because it seems that it will eventually be done the same way NCA hands out their bids (at camp) which personally I feel is the fair way to go because a tape can make that team look a lot different then they will look when they take the mat in Orlando. With editing and only filming things that hit constantly it can make a bad team look good. Here is the release that UCA posted online: http://www.uca.varsity.com/college_bids.aspx
And here is the thread where it is sort of talked about:
http://forum.fierceboard.com/threads/new-rules-for-uca-college-nationals.18471/

Thanks sista-I'm a ZTA sister too ;) haha Now that I actually understand the entire process, it seems like they are just trying new ways to go about the bidding...I also agree that at camp is probably the most accurate way to assess a team and determine bids. Thank you SO much for posting both links-I apologize for not searching about it ahead of time...I have been off of the boards since worlds I think? haha It's good to be back..now I just need to start cheering again and I will be even happier! :)

 

[ztaprincess]

Thanks sista-I'm a ZTA sister too ;) haha Now that I actually understand the entire process, it seems like they are just trying new ways to go about the bidding...I also agree that at camp is probably the most accurate way to assess a team and determine bids. Thank you SO much for posting both links-I apologize for not searching about it ahead of time...I have been off of the boards since worlds I think? haha It's good to be back..now I just need to start cheering again and I will be even happier! :)

Oh no problem. It wasn't talked about too much and it was a while ago. I am interested to see what changes are made for next year because it seems that this year some teams that may have deserved bids didn't get them. Can't wait for Jan though to see all the teams. <3ZLAM

 

[UKCheerdad]

Im really curious to as why you think UK was robbed. Please do explain! :)

Im going to stick my nose in this one. First, Mightymouse you seem to be very sensitive and angry. You have a real edge to your comments to both KentuckyGirl and LaughaLittle. That bothers me.

Second, i was there and saw it all happen. I also saw comments and score sheets. Comments from judges included references to stunts that didn't even take place. I also saw scores recorded, crossed out and lowered by 1 point on one particular score sheet. So, in my opinion that's how UK got robbed.

Third, did Bama hit? Yup they did, in a very vanilla routine. UK took chances, hit much harder stunts and had a fall in the middle of the TV screen on a tumble (should be a minor deduction).

Its pretty apparent the last four years that UCA wanted someone else to win other than UK, they got that this year. Bama winning creates drama for this year, which in turn creates interest, which in turn creates TV ratings. Why do you think that for the first time, UCA had cameras on the top two squads - in their faces - for the announcement and then interviewed RM as soon as they heard Bama won - DRAMA!!!!!!

Don't be fooled by a naive assertion that UCA is as pure as the driven snow.

 

[UKCheerdad]

I was talking to someone whose on a college team who attends UCA college nationals and she told me UCA is not receiving tapes for bids this year..is this true? I was told UCA is going to look back the past 7 years and go by those placements/scores. IMO this is a little ridiculous especially because those are almost all entirely different teams than the 11-12 team. Unfortunately, for this specific college they have placed very well the past few years, but their one 10th place caused them their paid bid :( Just curious if anyone knew more about this! I was also curious what this meant for colleges attending UCA College Nationals for the first time.

One other thing new this year, all teams compete in Prelims. there are no passes straight through to finals as in years past.

 

[ztaprincess]

Second, i was there and saw it all happen. I also saw comments and score sheets. Comments from judges included references to stunts that didn't even take place. I also saw scores recorded, crossed out and lowered by 1 point on one particular score sheet. So, in my opinion that's how UK got robbed.

Third, did Bama hit? Yup they did, in a very vanilla routine. UK took chances, hit much harder stunts and had a fall in the middle of the TV screen on a tumble (should be a minor deduction).

Wow that is the first that I had heard about the scoresheet things. It is sad to hear because both teams were amazing but I feel UK's routine was at a different level (which is the norm for them). I guess I thought that the tumbling bust was enough to move them down to second, but seems like there could have been more to it.

I am sure that they will be back this year ready for blood. The one time I got to see them compete at nationals it was breathtaking, probably my favorite moment in cheer was seeing them hit their routine and hearing the crowd. So solid.

I really wish it were Jan. already.

 

[udel cheer coach]

@UKCheerdad
First, I did hear that there were comments to stunts not performed and this is never a good thing for a team or for the organization doing the judging. However, UCA judges frequently cross out scores and change them and will initial by the area...they would be up there for hours longer after the final team if they had to rewrite every score sheet for any corrections they needed to make.

Second, a "vanilla" routine?...Bama did throw 4 cupie full arounds which was the first time that was performed and both squads threw a front handspring variation...(UK did pull theirs to arabesque), but the stunt scores would have been extremely close between the 2 squads especially with Bama probably scoring higher on their "ime" stunt by doing a fullup and a hands full around compared to the fullup pull through by UK.

Third, UCA had the cameras on both teams for several reasons. The number 1 reason is they edit the show every year after the competition before it airs on ESPN and with their being a "new" team that won and an extremely close competition why wouldn't the producers want to show both reactions and create good tv.

Finally, why would UCA care who wins? All of the top teams in the division that place top 5 are already getting a paid bid so UCA is not going to lose them to NCA (which they already own). So why would they care who wins?

 

[UKCheerdad]

@UKCheerdad
First, I did hear that there were comments to stunts not performed and this is never a good thing for a team or for the organization doing the judging. However, UCA judges frequently cross out scores and change them and will initial by the area...they would be up there for hours longer after the final team if they had to rewrite every score sheet for any corrections they needed to make.

Second, a "vanilla" routine?...Bama did throw 4 cupie full arounds which was the first time that was performed and both squads threw a front handspring variation...(UK did pull theirs to arabesque), but the stunt scores would have been extremely close between the 2 squads especially with Bama probably scoring higher on their "ime" stunt by doing a fullup and a hands full around compared to the fullup pull through by UK.

Third, UCA had the cameras on both teams for several reasons. The number 1 reason is they edit the show every year after the competition before it airs on ESPN and with their being a "new" team that won and an extremely close competition why wouldn't the producers want to show both reactions and create good tv.

Finally, why would UCA care who wins? All of the top teams in the division that place top 5 are already getting a paid bid so UCA is not going to lose them to NCA (which they already own). So why would they care who wins?

Why would UCA care who wins? How does UCA create drama and excitement if the same team wins year after year? How does UCA create more viewers on TV if the same team wins every year? How do they sell more t shirts, programs, videos, photos, and get more butts in the seats if they dont create some competition? And who is UCA's "face" of college Cheerleading right now? I know the answer!

Seriously, has ANY team ever had their entire squad throw fulls? The only D1A squad i have seen throw fulls is UK. The swing through hands to cupie, that wasn't special? What about thier entrance into their Sweedish Falls?

The lady wanted to know why we thought UK was robbed, I gave her my answer.

 

[retiredl5cheer]

Yes this is how they did it but they didn't go back 7 years they only went back 3. They are going to change it again for next year according to their release so things will probably be more then. I personally prefer it this way because it seems that it will eventually be done the same way NCA hands out their bids (at camp) which personally I feel is the fair way to go because a tape can make that team look a lot different then they will look when they take the mat in Orlando. With editing and only filming things that hit constantly it can make a bad team look good. Here is the release that UCA posted online: http://www.uca.varsity.com/college_bids.aspx
And here is the thread where it is sort of talked about:
http://forum.fierceboard.com/threads/new-rules-for-uca-college-nationals.18471/

They used to give out bids at camp. They stopped doing that a few years ago.

 

[laughAlittle]

Im going to stick my nose in this one. First, Mightymouse you seem to be very sensitive and angry. You have a real edge to your comments to both KentuckyGirl and LaughaLittle. That bothers me.

Second, i was there and saw it all happen. I also saw comments and score sheets. Comments from judges included references to stunts that didn't even take place. I also saw scores recorded, crossed out and lowered by 1 point on one particular score sheet. So, in my opinion that's how UK got robbed.

Third, did Bama hit? Yup they did, in a very vanilla routine. UK took chances, hit much harder stunts and had a fall in the middle of the TV screen on a tumble (should be a minor deduction).

Its pretty apparent the last four years that UCA wanted someone else to win other than UK, they got that this year. Bama winning creates drama for this year, which in turn creates interest, which in turn creates TV ratings. Why do you think that for the first time, UCA had cameras on the top two squads - in their faces - for the announcement and then interviewed RM as soon as they heard Bama won - DRAMA!!!!!!

Don't be fooled by a naive assertion that UCA is as pure as the driven snow.

thankyou (: