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cupieqt said:
The gym is now in question because we didn't like the way a (non-regular) poster replied? This is my concern. We all know this is an emotionally charged topic. For just a minute, we should put ourselves in their shoes and think about what they might be feeling. No one has a problem with "mama bears" in other scenarios. And I feel like that's what happened here. Just like parents get protective and defensive of their kids, gym owners feel the same way about their programs. I could do without the snarky replies too. But this isn't like the 3 year old bhs mama that didn't want to hear good advice. This is an otherwise nice group of people that suddenly got pushed in front of a Fierceboard firing squad. It's probably more than a little upsetting to them. So I'm trying really hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. Because I DO respect their gym and in saying so then I have to put that respect into practice and try to understand and see things from their perspective.

When I stumbled on this thread I got an oogie feeling because this just doesn't quite sound right. Besides feeling like this is a veiled attempt to discredit a possible Summit contender early on (later, if they win people will surely remember this and be salty), I also feel weird for the following reasons (prepare yourselves for a @Just-a-Mom list ;) ) -

1. If anyone here is facing accusations of sandbagging because they have athletes with higher level skills crossing over to any of their teams, then we all need to get in line for questioning. Every gym has kids on teams with higher level skills than what they perform in every routine.

2. It all sounds dangerously presumptuous. No one owes anyone any explanations here and Imo they shouldn't have replied to any questions at all. We can't pretend to know all the details of why any kid is on any team in any gym. And we can ask all we want but not one gym owner owes anyone any explanations about their teams levels. It's a personal decision made by the experts employed in that gyms gym. And not every gym owner can give a well-thought out @BlueCat or @tumbleyoda type of reply. Just like some kids have more experience and stage ready skills, some gym owners have more experience and a "stage ready" public presence.

3. "Who here has felt personally victimized by Jersey All-Stars?"

@MaineStar234 I understand your position and I respect your feelings about teams being stacked for The Summit. But to everyone reading this, didn't we discuss at great length the measures that teams went to to ensure their teams success at The Summit last year? So by now we all know what has to be done in order to win at that event. Idk if that is what Jersey has up their pretty green sleeve or not, but it is certainly not a new idea.


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I really do appreciate you replying to my comments because you are giving me really good insight into a side of the industry I truly do not understand, so thank you! You've given me a lot to think about on this topic (things I hadn't previously thought to consider), and what you are saying makes sense to me, even if I still don't agree with all of it at the moment.


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I completely understand where you are coming from in your post. However, I do feel that the way the in which the owner responded to questions/speculations about the number of crossovers (accusing these people of bashing the gym when the videos were posted very close together and it was obvious with only one watch of each video that at least the girl who throws the 3 to double is center for most of the level 2 routine and her dancing the questions) caused people to question the gym because she was acting as though their crossover numbers/practices was something to hide. No one is angry (although I might be if my child's junior level 2 team was going to have to compete against this team at the Summit). I believe there was a far more professional way in which the owner could have approached her answers in this thread that wouldn't have caused people to become so concerned with the crossovers.
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I only watched the level 2 rountine, and yes it was amazing. I didn't watch the J5 team but I will now. I'm sorry though, a kid w/ standing bhs to a double on a level 2 team? That's really just "not right" unless this is a gym w/ 50-60 total atbletes - is it? I don't know how big they are, but if they have a J5 team, my guess is they are pretty big.

A kid w/ standing tumbling to a double doing back walkovers to backhandsprings is like taking a level 9/10 gymnast and sending her in to compete at a level 5 meet and celebrating how she got perfect scores (there actually are rules in gymnastics that prevent that situation btw).
 
I know I'm behind and I'm probably going to get negative ratings and what not for this but I don't care it needs to be said.

As a former athlete and volunteer coach at Jersey All Stars I have a good grasp on the program. I grew up in the gym, starting on a half year youth 1 team and by the time I aged out of all star cheerleading I was on Senior 4 and Restricted 5 while also coaching a Youth 1 team with another athlete and the help of Amanda.

I understand that a lot of you claim to have lost respect for the gym and the teams over this thread. Do you really care about crossovers in the gym? It's nothing new that we have always had crossovers. I was one for years and I made it very public on these forums. (I'm old and washed up now but some people still post on here from when I did.) We used to only have 2 - 3 teams per season so we had to use crossovers to compete with a full team. It's just how it works. Were we forced to cross? No. We did it because we loved spending time at our little gym (which later grew into a big gym in a space of our own) and spending time with teammates that became like family. We grew up with Amanda and we were all there with her when she graduated from college. I won't name her sister because neither Amanda or her mom have, but I cheered with her on Sapphires. All I ever did was want to be at that gym and wear green and blue wherever I went. So please think again before you accuse the gym of just stacking and sandbagging the teams.

I don't think a lot of you realize how much time and effort goes into play not only when you own a gym but when you personally go to each and every single practice that is held in that gym and coach those teams. Amanda is at that gym every single day working on making our teams the best they can be. I think a lot of you would be offended when people ask about the true level of a lot of the athletes. I'm going to post some videos back when no one really cared about our teams. These are the athletes that built this program up. They're the ones who gave Emeralds the name that they have and if you question their abilities, fine. But keep in mind that a lot of these kids are in the gym every day and they progress very quickly. One of the athletes I coached in particular had a full a year after I was coaching her on a level 1 team. It's all about perspective.


ETA: JAS is bae.
 
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cupieqt said:
The gym is now in question because we didn't like the way a (non-regular) poster replied? This is my concern. We all know this is an emotionally charged topic. For just a minute, we should put ourselves in their shoes and think about what they might be feeling. No one has a problem with "mama bears" in other scenarios. And I feel like that's what happened here. Just like parents get protective and defensive of their kids, gym owners feel the same way about their programs. I could do without the snarky replies too. But this isn't like the 3 year old bhs mama that didn't want to hear good advice. This is an otherwise nice group of people that suddenly got pushed in front of a Fierceboard firing squad. It's probably more than a little upsetting to them. So I'm trying really hard to give them the benefit of the doubt. Because I DO respect their gym and in saying so then I have to put that respect into practice and try to understand and see things from their perspective.

When I stumbled on this thread I got an oogie feeling because this just doesn't quite sound right. Besides feeling like this is a veiled attempt to discredit a possible Summit contender early on (later, if they win people will surely remember this and be salty), I also feel weird for the following reasons (prepare yourselves for a @Just-a-Mom list ;) ) -

1. If anyone here is facing accusations of sandbagging because they have athletes with higher level skills crossing over to any of their teams, then we all need to get in line for questioning. Every gym has kids on teams with higher level skills than what they perform in every routine.

2. It all sounds dangerously presumptuous. No one owes anyone any explanations here and Imo they shouldn't have replied to any questions at all. We can't pretend to know all the details of why any kid is on any team in any gym. And we can ask all we want but not one gym owner owes anyone any explanations about their teams levels. It's a personal decision made by the experts employed in that gyms gym. And not every gym owner can give a well-thought out @BlueCat or @tumbleyoda type of reply. Just like some kids have more experience and stage ready skills, some gym owners have more experience and a "stage ready" public presence.

3. "Who here has felt personally victimized by Jersey All-Stars?"

@MaineStar234 I understand your position and I respect your feelings about teams being stacked for The Summit. But to everyone reading this, didn't we discuss at great length the measures that teams went to to ensure their teams success at The Summit last year? So by now we all know what has to be done in order to win at that event. Idk if that is what Jersey has up their pretty green sleeve or not, but it is certainly not a new idea.


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You quoted Mean Girls. I love you. That is all.
 
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