All-Star Cheer Companies Affiliated With/owning Gyms

[King]

Can a company that owns a gym award a bid to the gym they own?

I don't know why they couldn't.


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[Mom Jeans]

In a sense, yes. (I assume you are talking about Champions League - I don't think the others are "gym owned".) However, the competing teams are all essentially in the same boat. Each gym "owns" a similar portion of the event as the teams they are competing against. Also, no gym has anything close to a controlling majority ownership of the event itself.

To clarify, I wouldn't have any issue at all if a company hosted a competition specifically for it's own gyms. (ex: Varsity hosting a Varsity-gym competition)

I don't think there's anything wrong with it either, whatever helps the industry I'm all for it. Isn't The Revolution run by Cali people? I'm so excited to see how this season pans out.

Can comps just start already?

**I had a dream last night Worlds was in Switzerland ...

 

[quitthedrama]

Just to throw this out there...this is very common in other sports. Example: Virtually every dance competition my daughter competes in is run/put on by a dance school also competing there, with the exception of regional, national, and world championship events. They dont use their own judges. They pull from the same list of judges every competition uses. If it wasn't done, no one would have anywhere to compete. There are no event producers for irish dance.

Is the issue the conflict of interest, or the lack of transparency? (Sorry - I have read this whole thread, but it was a while back and I didn't reread tonight) I do agree that it should be readily available information - it's very clear when you go to a feis (irish dance comp) who it's being put on by, and who is competing from the host school.

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This is true. However in most other sports it is common knowledge. Also in most other sports the governing body does not have direct ties to the EP.

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[NJ Coach]

This is true. However in most other sports it is common knowledge. Also in most other sports the governing body does not have direct ties to the EP.

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In most other sports the governing body is the EP


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[uhhlyssa01]

I'm pretty sure if you're a Varsity owned gym you are required to only attend Varsity competitions. I guess the reason behind that being since they own the gym, all their money should be coming back to their events and not benefiting other EP's?

 

[Just-a-Mom]

This is true. However in most other sports it is common knowledge. Also in most other sports the governing body does not have direct ties to the EP.

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In most other sports the governing body is the EP

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This is why I used Irish dance as my example (well, that and the fact that it happens to be the example I knew enough about :oops: )

I think a bigger concern should be the governing body having so many ties to so many things. In Irish dance, the governing body is only the EP for regionals (true regionals - only about 4 in the country I think, and you have to actually go to the one for your region), Nationals (also "true" - there is only one), and the World championships. Local competitions are done by the schools. But the governing body does not own any dance schools, nor do they produce costumes, etc. - nor are they affiliated with any companies that do these things. I think getting the USASF to have less ties to the other side of the business is a bigger issue than gyms also being EP's.

 

[BlueCat]

This is why I used Irish dance as my example (well, that and the fact that it happens to be the example I knew enough about :oops: )

I think a bigger concern should be the governing body having so many ties to so many things. In Irish dance, the governing body is only the EP for regionals (true regionals - only about 4 in the country I think, and you have to actually go to the one for your region), Nationals (also "true" - there is only one), and the World championships. Local competitions are done by the schools. But the governing body does not own any dance schools, nor do they produce costumes, etc. - nor are they affiliated with any companies that do these things. I think getting the USASF to have less ties to the other side of the business is a bigger issue than gyms also being EP's.

I agree that it is a bigger concern. However, I believe it is possible to work on more than one concern at a time. It may be a long time before USASF becomes free of most of it's VB entanglements - other stuff can be worked on in the mean time, IMO.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

I agree that it is a bigger concern. However, I believe it is possible to work on more than one concern at a time. It may be a long time before USASF becomes free of most of it's VB entanglements - other stuff can be worked on in the mean time, IMO.

I agree. I was just thinking that maybe the gym/EP connection wasn't even really a concern even, if you take out the USASF involvement factor. But again, I am looking at it from the POV of a completely different industry that has always had a governing body that is completely separate. I agree that it's different, since they're already entangled now (it's always easy to look at something in an industry that doesn't already have the problem and say "We do it like this. You should too!" and think it's just so simple. :oops: )

 

[njallday]

This is why I used Irish dance as my example (well, that and the fact that it happens to be the example I knew enough about :oops: )

I think a bigger concern should be the governing body having so many ties to so many things. In Irish dance, the governing body is only the EP for regionals (true regionals - only about 4 in the country I think, and you have to actually go to the one for your region), Nationals (also "true" - there is only one), and the World championships. Local competitions are done by the schools. But the governing body does not own any dance schools, nor do they produce costumes, etc. - nor are they affiliated with any companies that do these things. I think getting the USASF to have less ties to the other side of the business is a bigger issue than gyms also being EP's.

thread hijack - i'm so jealous of your IDP. one of my childhood best friends did irish dance and her family would always bring me to regional oireachtas and i would beg my parents to let me wear a wig and get a pretty costume :p. you'd think if your dad plays the bag pipes and cursed you with the world's most irish name they'd let me dance, but i guess not. they never gave in. :( i will now vicariously live through you and IDP :D

 

[Just-a-Mom]

thread hijack - i'm so jealous of your IDP. one of my childhood best friends did irish dance and her family would always bring me to regional oireachtas and i would beg my parents to let me wear a wig and get a pretty costume :p. you'd think if your dad plays the bag pipes and cursed you with the world's most irish name they'd let me dance, but i guess not. they never gave in. :( i will now vicariously live through you and IDP :D

Well she doesn't have a sparkly dress yet, but she's getting closer! And this year she is eligible to try out for the Oireachtas teams. Doubt she'll make it, but she can get a feel for tryouts at least, so maybe next year she'll make it.

We do really love it. Her dance school is like the Cheer Athletics of Irish dance :D so she's getting to do some of the coolest things.

Ok...sorry for the hijack. Carry on! :)

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[GreenStormLucy]

**I had a dream last night Worlds was in Switzerland ...

Could that happen please? I'd be the happiest girl in the world (i know, will never happen, but we can still dream) ^^


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[**Alycea**]

It is worth noting that I don't actually believe that NCA or other Varsity events are rigged. If we believed that, we wouldn't spend 100K a year going to their events and buying their products. I also don't expect them to sell their gyms just so they look a little less "Big Brother". I mainly wish they were much more up front about who they own and control.

I agree whether we like it ir not, there not going to stop and were going to keep giving the competitions our $