All-Star Covid-19 / Varsity Response

[cheermomforever]

Compared to a lot of sports/activities, heck even the football game itself, this can be EXTREMELY Covid-friendly.

My daughters HS team she coaches only can practice for one hour outside with masks but volleyball can practice inside? And football no masks?

 

[kristenthegreat]

My daughters HS team she coaches only can practice for one hour outside with masks but volleyball can practice inside? And football no masks?

My mom's team is currently outside practice only, in 'pods' and during certain moments they need masks- coaches maintaining a 6-foot distance (my mom says pickup/drop off is actually the worst time since the parents aren't always wearing masks and everybody is standing super close). AFAIK they might be heading inside at SOME point, but since my sister just had a baby yesterday I don't know how involved my mother will be. At least for my old HS, the gym has two sets of double doors that open directly outside so they could have lots of air moving through.

 

[Rudags]

Questions and just general musings.

I see that choreo camps and such are starting to happen (evident on the social media.)

1. How is your gym navigating these sorts of camps? Especially if you may not be able to stunt?

2. How comfortable are parents right now with proceeding with camps and choreo type fees not knowing if there will be a season?

3. I wonder how much of the choreo is going to be recycled from last season since it never saw the Worlds or Summit floor? Hard because you do want to innovate, depending on how you scored all season, if it ain't broke don't fix it, amiright? (Most teams do a Worlds upgrade and some weren't even competed so why waste it?)

As a choreographer, we have just adapted to "new normal." We wear masks while doing choreography and really only remove them if we are at the front of the floor not around anyone or eating/drinking. A few gyms I have worked with were unable to stunt so we taught building skills completely contactless or set them up with an affordable package to go back to do building skills at their comfort and convenience. Not easy, and not my preference to teach contactless, but the job got done. Obviously seeing things in the air and the potential of what the athletes may excel at or struggle at makes it a guessing game. Most of those programs just got innovative elements and we kept the basics of each skill so we can upgrade later once we get videos.

We did have several programs recycle either parts of their routines or their "wow moment" building elements that were not competed last year; but as a whole, I would say everyone was optimistic about moving forward and getting back to normal. I doubt, especially at the higher world caliber, you will see much recycling.

 

[catlady]

My daughters HS team she coaches only can practice for one hour outside with masks but volleyball can practice inside? And football no masks?

It's these rules that drive me insane.

@oncecoolcoachnowmom I asked the question of a neighbor coach and was told it boiled down to capacity and not common sense with social distancing. Roughly quoted, "Cheerleaders and band members take up a lot of bus and stadium space, so they had to restrict and limit their numbers at games and take them off transportation since capacity was greatly reduced." He said the reality when it comes to high school football is the money made from gate sales and concessions go into the athletic fund and supports all high school sports. Students and certain businesses keep getting robbed of their experiences and clientele under the guise of "safety" while others get a pass.

 

[kristenthegreat]

It's these rules that drive me insane.

@oncecoolcoachnowmom I asked the question of a neighbor coach and was told it boiled down to capacity and not common sense with social distancing. Roughly quoted, "Cheerleaders and band members take up a lot of bus and stadium space, so they had to restrict and limit their numbers at games and take them off transportation since capacity was greatly reduced." He said the reality when it comes to high school football is the money made from gate sales and concessions go into the athletic fund and supports all high school sports. Students and certain businesses keep getting robbed of their experiences and clientele under the guise of "safety" while others get a pass.

I mean, if I heard correctly CT football just got canceled outright, and I know 1 of 3 HS's in town was just shut down/back online from Covid cases so bye-bye sports for them. I heard a 'rumor' they might try to play football outside the school system but I would not REMOTELY be down to clown with that foolishness.

 

[catlady]

I mean, if I heard correctly CT football just got canceled outright, and I know 1 of 3 HS's in town was just shut down/back online from Covid cases so bye-bye sports for them. I heard a 'rumor' they might try to play football outside the school system but I would not REMOTELY be down to clown with that foolishness.

My family is up in Charlevoix, MI right now, and a bar (closed by Gov order) is next door to a restaurant with a bar (open) and had the following sign on its door:

"Imagine a virus so intelligent it knew how to distinguish between an establishment that served food and one that did not."

^^^That sign pretty much sums up my thoughts on how some get a pass and others don't when it comes to this virus.

 

[RS_Amie]

My family is up in Charlevoix, MI right now, and a bar (closed by Gov order) is next door to a restaurant with a bar (open) and had the following sign on its door:

"Imagine a virus so intelligent it knew how to distinguish between an establishment that served food and one that did not."

^^^That sign pretty much sums up my thoughts on how some get a pass and others don't when it comes to this virus.

Yeah in the U.K. currently we can’t meet in groups of more than 6 (then it’s different for each country on how under 12s are counted. England counts an under 12 as a person and the other 3 countries don’t) HOWEVER we are still expected to go to offices for work and the kids are all back in schools. Sports teams can still train socially distanced. You can meet up with your grouse shooters and shoot grouse in groups of up to 20. But you can’t meet your close family in a group bigger than 6. Unless you’re at school or work, then the virus will happily leave you alone.


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[UCFKnights07]

My family is up in Charlevoix, MI right now, and a bar (closed by Gov order) is next door to a restaurant with a bar (open) and had the following sign on its door:

"Imagine a virus so intelligent it knew how to distinguish between an establishment that served food and one that did not."

^^^That sign pretty much sums up my thoughts on how some get a pass and others don't when it comes to this virus.

i somewhat understand the logic behind allowing restaurants to stay open, but to not allow bars. In a restaurant social distance can be done right, in a bar i feel like that would be really hard to enforce, most people go to bars to stand around and chill, typically with no where to sit. I just feel like enforcing social distance at an actual bar is by far a lot more difficult then a restaurant. Although i find the whole thing ridiculous cause even at restaurants people dont socially distance very well anyways.

 

[kristenthegreat]

My family is up in Charlevoix, MI right now, and a bar (closed by Gov order) is next door to a restaurant with a bar (open) and had the following sign on its door:

"Imagine a virus so intelligent it knew how to distinguish between an establishment that served food and one that did not."

^^^That sign pretty much sums up my thoughts on how some get a pass and others don't when it comes to this virus.

i somewhat understand the logic behind allowing restaurants to stay open, but to not allow bars. In a restaurant social distance can be done right, in a bar i feel like that would be really hard to enforce, most people go to bars to stand around and chill, typically with no where to sit. I just feel like enforcing social distance at an actual bar is by far a lot more difficult then a restaurant. Although i find the whole thing ridiculous cause even at restaurants people dont socially distance very well anyways.

Yeah, this is generally the idea- the casual atmosphere, the fact that most are indoors and become easy breeding grounds for it, and also the fact that if you're drinking alcohol you start heading towards impairment and the likelihood of making poorer choices. Of the NYC restaurants I've seen, MOST have been doing a pretty spectacular job of socially distancing by our standards (either 6ft apart or enacting barriers between tables). The ones that haven't made the news...and are also down the street from me. :confused: (or were a 300-person party. WHO IS DOING THIS IN A PANDEMIC?!)

I don't know what the statistics are for infections off my head, but there's definitely a growing number of indicators that indoor dining is resulting in the largest sect of new cases. I know the greatest causes for concern are 'attractive nuisances' as Cuomo calls them- the things that cause people to gather in random groups for a long period of time.

 

[cheermomforever]

I mean, if I heard correctly CT football just got canceled outright, and I know 1 of 3 HS's in town was just shut down/back online from Covid cases so bye-bye sports for them. I heard a 'rumor' they might try to play football outside the school system but I would not REMOTELY be down to clown with that foolishness.

Yes it did.....it went yes, no, yes, And a final no but every other fall sport was never questioned and continue!

 

[Knowcheering]

The lack of consistency in the rules about what is or isn't allowed is a little frustrating. Football is canceled in some areas, but thousands of people are allowed to pack like sardines and hold a protest. It doesn't make any sense. If you cancel football and school, the kids are just going to gather at someone's house and throw a party instead, especially on college campuses. We can't eat inside a restaurant, but hundreds of people are allowed to shop at Home Depot or Target. Have we heard of any instances of kids or their parents dying from Covid after being sent back to school this year? Some towns are doing half-virtual, half in-person school. Does the virus strike on Mondays and Wednesdays, but not on Tuesdays and Thursdays? It seems like towns are implementing rules not because they're all that effective, but just to say they did something.

 

[Cheer0825]

The lack of consistency in the rules about what is or isn't allowed is a little frustrating. Football is canceled in some areas, but thousands of people are allowed to pack like sardines and hold a protest. It doesn't make any sense. If you cancel football and school, the kids are just going to gather at someone's house and throw a party instead, especially on college campuses. We can't eat inside a restaurant, but hundreds of people are allowed to shop at Home Depot or Target. Have we heard of any instances of kids or their parents dying from Covid after being sent back to school this year? Some towns are doing half-virtual, half in-person school. Does the virus strike on Mondays and Wednesdays, but not on Tuesdays and Thursdays? It seems like towns are implementing rules not because they're all that effective, but just to say they did something.

Just want to say there is a massive difference between football games and protests. Even if we ignore the ethical differences there are liability differences. If a school allows football games they can be held liable for outbreaks and for public schools as an extension of the state gov. this can cause a lot of problems. They also face an issue if there’s a outbreak at their school which can heavily affect their students ability to learn. The majority of protests are not ran by public or private companies

 

[tojofasho]

The lack of consistency in the rules about what is or isn't allowed is a little frustrating. Football is canceled in some areas, but thousands of people are allowed to pack like sardines and hold a protest. It doesn't make any sense. If you cancel football and school, the kids are just going to gather at someone's house and throw a party instead, especially on college campuses. We can't eat inside a restaurant, but hundreds of people are allowed to shop at Home Depot or Target. Have we heard of any instances of kids or their parents dying from Covid after being sent back to school this year? Some towns are doing half-virtual, half in-person school. Does the virus strike on Mondays and Wednesdays, but not on Tuesdays and Thursdays? It seems like towns are implementing rules not because they're all that effective, but just to say they did something.

I'm a teacher/coach in Arizona and I personally know two teachers who caught COVID and passed away from it - one is highly suspected to have caught it from her school while the other is suspected to have caught it somewhere else and then brought it to staff meetings, infecting others. I myself got COVID back in March and the week before I was diagnosed I went to the school and cheer, nowhere else, which means I definitely got it from one of those locations. Schools are a breeding ground for bacteria, ESPECIALLY elementary schools, and most of our HVAC systems are so out of date that the air isn't properly circulating. The ONLY reason schools are opening up with hybrid schedules is because parents are demanding it, and schools will cater to their demands otherwise they risk losing funding which is a whole other topic I could rant about for hours.

Nobody thinks it's a good or safe idea to have schools open in any capacity, but at the end of the day we have to do what we're told and the higher ups have to cater to the community or they risk losing a lot. So you're 100% correct in your assessment of 'towns are implementing rules not because they're all that effective, but just to say they did something" and it is a BIG reason why so many people are pissed off right now. Because if we'd just shut everything down fully way back in March, like basically every other country did, we would certainly have at least a somewhat better handle on the virus (though I doubt it would have been eliminated fully).

 

[catlady]

Just want to say there is a massive difference between football games and protests. Even if we ignore the ethical differences there are liability differences. If a school allows football games they can be held liable for outbreaks and for public schools as an extension of the state gov. this can cause a lot of problems. They also face an issue if there’s a outbreak at their school which can heavily affect their students ability to learn. The majority of protests are not ran by public or private companies

The majority of states provide sovereign immunity to their public schools, and cap damages. Currently, there are hundreds of lawsuits against schools and state government for not providing certain services and overstepping with mandates. I have yet to read of a case where a school is being sued for outbreak negligence. If you know of one, I would be very interested in following it.

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

You very rarely will see a school paying out in these situations.

They are protected by immunity as long as they follow whatever guidelines are set forth by the state.