All-Star Discuss Your Usasf Struggles Here

[Ashley]

i dont know if im missing info but i feel like these problems could be easily solved if USASF had a brain.

1) why not split up the large coed and large senior division, why have them go at the same time in the same place. USASF knows its the largest attended most popular division. Why not set it up where they compete at complete opposite times (i.e. coed goes in the morning, large senior goes at night) or heck make large finals happen at the same time but in different venues from each other (dont other divisions do this already at worlds) that way it forces people to choose one or the other, making the attendance issue not such an issue.

2) Moving it back to mornings, i could have sworn a few years ago they did this to try and combat the overcrowding problem by having large senior/coed compete at the crack of dawn.

3) Didnt someone mention that they use to have a parent standing section in the milkhouse, where parents for teams competing could watch the team, but then would have to vacate right after (i might be confusing this with nca or cheersport however)
i do like this idea, but i could see where things could go wrong, any adult could just walk up and claim to be a parent when in reality they are not.

4) get rid of the in between crap they keep doing (having dance teams go, or last year having the champions of other divisions showcase) this seems pointless and time wasting, i dont think people sitting for 5 minutes waiting for judges to do scoring is going to kill anyone. having a team go in between as a filler ultimately just makes it longer in reality. Between the time it takes them to take the mat, compete, get off the mat and then set up for the next team, is probably more than 5 minutes.

1) Ticket sales. It's a great show watching those 20 teams together. Probably sells more ticket than making people choose one over the other.

2) Moving it to the crack of dawn didn't solve the problem.

3) They do have a priority section in the milkhouse - in fact I think they started bring fans in and out of the milkhouse a few years when Large Senior/Coed were first thing in the morning and it was full. You're escorted in and out of the building and they should absolutely have something similar for the baseball field

4) The dance teams are not even remotely the reason the competition went as long or as slow as it was. They decided they didn't want to alternate divisions and thus needed to fill some space. I don't think they alternated with other divisions for semi finals either. I don't know why.

 

[THEJOEL]

I've been thinking about this as well. I know @ACEDAD mentioned he had tried to get something started with parents and it kind of fizzled. I think the reality is that a group needs to be formed with folks who have (at this point) nothing to lose and no affiliation with programs. The reality is that as parents we can speak out but too often it then negatively impacts our child's role on their team... and we can speak out and then it neagtively impacts our program.

I agree 100%
How many times have we, the parents, heard anyone can be replaced? Or trust your coaches?
At the end of the day we have zero control over what goes on in this sport even though it's 100% financed off of our backs. I'm sure if 1/2 parents said no they would have been ostracized immediately for not supporting the team.

 

[dance_extreme_94]

The wild thing is they wouldn't have even needed a "just in case" tent because I'm pretty sure no one was even competing in the HP center at the time they were competing outside!

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not like they can't another "just in case building' to go inside of in case of inclement weather. I feel like if they strive on being safe and qualified, then this issue is pretty hypocrite like.

 

[Ashley]

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not like they can't another "just in case building' to go inside of in case of inclement weather. I feel like if they strive on being safe and qualified, then this issue is pretty hypocrite like.

I'm pretty sure the rain plan for the baseball field was to do it Monday night instead. But it wasn't raining, and I think it just got far enough into it that they chose not to stop it.

 

[MissCongeniality]

I agree 100%
How many times have we, the parents, heard anyone can be replaced? Or trust your coaches?
At the end of the day we have zero control over what goes on in this sport even though it's 100% financed off of our backs. I'm sure if 1/2 parents said no they would have been ostracized immediately for not supporting the team.

Even better/worse... there's that contingent of Suzy's Moms inwardly hoping you do protest or say something because that increases the likelihood and/or opens a spot on the team for their "suzy" who is "next in line with her skills" ;)

 

[Cheer007]

can anyone post MEDIUM 5 ALL GIRL scoresheet?

 

[Momager]

It shouldn't have to be up to the parents or athletes- they should be provided a safe environment and we should be able to trust that. Put the responsibility where it belongs and hold them accountable. We all know that parent who would pull their kid for any stray sparkle on the floor instead of letting the EP pick it up/vacuum between sessions.

 

[randomactsofcheer]

Even better/worse... there's that contingent of Suzy's Moms inwardly hoping you do protest or say something because that increases the likelihood and/or opens a spot on the team for their "suzy" who is "next in line with her skills" ;)

Unfortunately, these people do exist. I have been in a position before where there were a lot of parents complaining about safety concerns. I stepped up and said something and watched every other parent shrink back and say nothing. I ended up pulling my kid out of that situation. In retrospect, I think a couple of parents baited me into that position. But it was a legitimate safety concern and I was not going to allow my child to be placed in a position where she could sustain a preventable injury.

This whole environment is completely unhealthy. No parent should be afraid to address safety concerns when it comes to his or her child. There should be one visible and accessible point-of-contact that parents, athletes, and coaches can use at each competition to point out these concerns without fear of retaliation. And there should be a way to address after-the-fact safety issues. Something that results in visible investigations to make sure that the health and safety of the athletes are the main priority.

 

[cheermommaRN]

I think the only two teams in the Milkhouse were Royalty and ACX Jags. Jags had an injury during their initial performance and their owner arranged for them to re-compete later that evening. Royalty went to watch and there was a handful of spectators. there is absolutely no reason they couldn't have held finals there except for the logistics of getting everyone from the stadium to the Milkhouse in an orderly fashion with EVERYONE TAPED IN LIKE USASF PRISONERS.

 

[quitthedrama]

Plenty of people have contacted them, they just don't get a response. I'm thinking they're not responding to anyone because they're getting sued for something much more serious, and instead of giving us the answers we deserve, they want to beat around the bush. We deserve answers point blank period. No matter what they think.

Do you have factual information that the USASF is indeed getting sued?

The dab has also been made illegal and I'm sure we all know why but once again it would be nice and professional of USASF to make an official announcement about things.

I have not heard anything about this. Could you please provide the link to this legality?

 

[youbetterwork]

This is something else that has been left unsaid that I would like to ask.

1. Why wasn't the competition stopped if the floor was damp and relocated inside? We've had to do this before at a band competition it started raining really hard. Since band competitions are normally outside, they almost always have a backup plan in case of inclement weather. So why isn't this something that is honored at outside cheer competitions? It's not like they don't have the money to rent out a "just in case' safety building. (easier said than done I know, but it's something to think about)

2. Why hasn't USASF addressed this situation publically? They seem to never address major situations publically they'd rather tell us "what to do" and what's all of a sudden "mandatory" instead of given us real reasons.

The dab has also been made illegal and I'm sure we all know why but once again it would be nice and professional of USASF to make an official announcement about things.

Pretty sure a dance team dabbed in their routine. One of the teams that performed on the baseball field.

 

[Cheergrandma]

I think the only two teams in the Milkhouse were Royalty and ACX Jags. Jags had an injury during their initial performance and their owner arranged for them to re-compete later that evening. Royalty went to watch and there was a handful of spectators. there is absolutely no reason they couldn't have held finals there except for the logistics of getting everyone from the stadium to the Milkhouse in an orderly fashion with EVERYONE TAPED IN LIKE USASF PRISONERS.

How many seats are in the HP Milkhouse? I may be wrong, but I don't think there near as many as the stadium has. I shutter to think of the pandemonium that would occur moving that many people to another venue. It would make the Running of the Bulls look like a walk in the park!

Personally, I think they need to separate the two popular divisions. On different days if necessary.

And yes, there is a parent viewing line for the HP and I thank God for that otherwise we would have missed my granddaughter's $1300 2 1/2 minute performance.

 

[cheernerd5678]

This is frightening as far as the asthma goes.

Forgive me as my scope is only with special athletes. Do coaches have emergency medicines likes inhailers, epi pens, or diabetes supplies with them for athletes with potentially life threatening medical needs? I know that with the kids I have worked with that we did. How is this type of thing managed in the top levels of cheer?

I wasn't in the top levels of cheer, but I did compete with several girls on my team who had pretty bad asthma. Our coaches would collect their inhalers (in labeled plastic bags) and carry them in their backpacks so they could get them to them immediately after their performances. They were responsible for bringing them to the gym for practices though. As far as epi-pens, I did compete with a girl with a severe peanut allergy but I don't think the coaches kept her epipen since there wasn't immediate danger when she was with coaches at comp (warming up at competing). I do think they had one at the gym though.

Can someone post the Final scoresheet from MEDIUM ALL Girl?

can anyone post MEDIUM 5 ALL GIRL scoresheet?

this is not the thread for that. If someone had it there's a thread for results and scoresheets you can ask in. The reason nobody answered is probably the fact that nobody in this thread has it. But this is the wrong thread anyway

 

[SheCheers]

That's exactly what I'm saying. It's not like they can't another "just in case building' to go inside of in case of inclement weather. I feel like if they strive on being safe and qualified, then this issue is pretty hypocrite like.

But then 9000 spectators would have had to all rush to the new venue that only has 5000 seats. With, remember, all but TWO exits to the stadium taped shut.

 

[SheCheers]

I think the only two teams in the Milkhouse were Royalty and ACX Jags. Jags had an injury during their initial performance and their owner arranged for them to re-compete later that evening. Royalty went to watch and there was a handful of spectators. there is absolutely no reason they couldn't have held finals there except for the logistics of getting everyone from the stadium to the Milkhouse in an orderly fashion with EVERYONE TAPED IN LIKE USASF PRISONERS.

Ooops. Should've read ahead. Lol