All-Star Discuss Your Usasf Struggles Here

[Twinklestars]

Really.....Bows cant be larger than 3 inches.... THATS STUPID!!!! Wow USASF...Wow...

The ribbon itself cannot be wider than three inches. I don't recall about rules on how large the bow can be.

 

[dance_extreme_94]

News to me (though I wouldn't complain about the dab being removed, it's the most ridiculous trend!) When did this happen though? Was Charlotte Teal deducted for it because they most definitely dabbed in the routine.

Eta I don't think orange dabs. They point to the orange section. Or maybe I'm niave?

A Gym owner himself told me that they were deducted points in the routine because the dab had been made illegal. I'm not sure about the other gyms but this is what the owner told me. Either he misunderstood his deduction or it is actually illegal. I will see if he wants to post his score sheets

 

[Churizlyfe1111]

True but they're not used to it in Daytona either. It's become part of the experience there.

Lots of colleges practice outside on the football field but I don't see why all star can't do that!!! Very true though[emoji1360]

 

[dance_extreme_94]

Lmao dabbing is banned? It's just some trendy dance move, like they've always existed. When I was in high school it was the soulja boy song. I don't know why everyone is so uptight about it.. Does it get annoying when everyone does it yeah but it will come and pass like every childhood trend. USASF have much bigger problems


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This is what a gym owner told me. And if it is true that dabbing is banned I see why as it relates to drugs and that's not something that cheerleading stands for or promotes

 

[russmin]

This is what a gym owner told me. And if it is true that dabbing is banned I see why as it relates to drugs and that's not something that cheerleading stands for or promotes

Yeah but the dance and the drug term aren't really related that was a pure speculation on people's part.

 

[JayySoFierce]

ETA: nvm

 

[CookieMomster]

So let me get this straight. My kid in an "organized activity" governed by a body that is concerned about, and gone so far as to invoke rules on the width of bows, giving hugs on stage or being excited about hitting (when it's common place in every other sport), and banned a dance move that is essentially sneezing into an elbow, but they're not concerned with safety infractions like wet floors, crowd control, child neglect and exploitation (due to safety issues and having children expected to perform beyond reasonable hours all the while making a profit from their performance), and breaking fire codes by taping exit gates shut?!? :eek:

Way to set the cheer standard bar high and having priorities:confused:!

How has the media not picked up on this?!?

 

[randomactsofcheer]

So let me get this straight. My kid in an "organized activity" governed by a body that is concerned about, and gone so far as to invoke rules on the width of bows, giving hugs on stage or being excited about hitting (when it's common place in every other sport), and banned a dance move that is essentially sneezing into an elbow, but they're not concerned with safety infractions like wet floors, crowd control, child neglect and exploitation (due to safety issues and having children expected to perform beyond reasonable hours all the while making a profit from their performance), and breaking fire codes by taping exit gates shut?!? :eek:

Way to set the cheer standard bar high and having priorities:confused:!

How has the media not picked up on this?!?

Probably because you need to have people willing to come forward and speak to the media about it. If coaches, gym owners, parents, and athletes don't want to address concerns with EP's and their governing body for fear of retaliation, I highly doubt there are many people willing to speak to the media.

 

[CookieMomster]

Probably because you need to have people willing to come forward and speak to the media about it. If coaches, gym owners, parents, and athletes don't want to address concerns with EP's and their governing body for fear of retaliation, I highly doubt there are many people willing to speak to the media.

Social media is a VERY powerful tool. It's also the great equalizer.

ETA: All it would take is a memorable hashtag and cross posting on notable social media channels and media outlets...right place and right time. If somebody can raise hundreds upon thousands for a kid who built an arcade out of cardboard boxes and it created an international movement (Cane's Arcade...I highly recommend watching the story, very powerful and inspiring), change can happen for this too.

I'm telling you....all it takes is for the leader and the lone nut to step up and get posting. Social media isn't influenced by the top down, it's influenced by the people and funnels up. Welcome to the Web 2.0.

 

[SL&AM]

@CookieMomster I would actually be surprised to see the media pick up on a story like this without some sort of catastrophic incident occurring because it just doesn't scream 'newsworthy'. Cheerleading, at least from where I've sat (read think), doesn't always have the strongest image or appeal. Kind of like during hair gate when inaccurate information was plenty on the side of the media and it was pretty obvious no one spent more than a minute or two in google before deciding they knew what All-Star Cheerleading really was about...when people think cheerleader they already have assumptions made and for some it's positive, but not all. All-Star Cheerleading, again this is my own opinion, largely operates in the dark of nearly every other sport because there is no end game to it. It's not a professional sport nor is it something people would watch in the Olympics so what reach does it have when a lot of people don't even really understand it to begin with?

Now, had an athlete slide right off the stage or face some sort of long-term catastrophic injury like paralysis, then I think the media would be all over it and still continue to be on it right now.

 

[CookieMomster]

@CookieMomster I would actually be surprised to see the media pick up on a story like this without some sort of catastrophic incident occurring because it just doesn't scream 'newsworthy'. Cheerleading, at least from where I've sat (read think), doesn't always have the strongest image or appeal. Kind of like during hair gate when inaccurate information was plenty on the side of the media and it was pretty obvious no one spent more than a minute or two in google before deciding they knew what All-Star Cheerleading really was about...when people think cheerleader they already have assumptions made and for some it's positive, but not all. All-Star Cheerleading, again this is my own opinion, largely operates in the dark of nearly every other sport because there is no end game to it. It's not a professional sport nor is it something people would watch in the Olympics so what reach does it have when a lot of people don't even really understand it to begin with?

Now, had an athlete slide right off the stage or face some sort of long-term catastrophic injury like paralysis, then I think the media would be all over it and still continue to be on it right now.

And this is exactly why things will never change with that mindset. We need to stop downplaying. If we truly believed that then why on God's green earth would we be bleeding money for something insignificant?!?

The media is filled with stories like this. We should be down on our knees being thankful that a catastrophe didn't happen. Why must people wait for the worse case scenario? Whatever happened to being proactive instead of reactive? We're operating on borrowed time and it's only a matter of time before our time is up and the unimaginable happens. Then what? We all start gripping "could have, should have"? Then we'll be on the line with not stopping it from happening when we could have. Does it really need to come down to lawsuits and gross negligence complaints? Can't we nip it before it spirals more?Why must the worse case happened to invoke change?

ESPN wouldn't be broadcasting if there wasn't merit in cheer. There's a story here. Between the Rebel article, the other posts that were spurned from that article, what happened over the weekend and the tweets and comments here...we need to stop downplaying the situation and start connecting the dots.

Put up or shut up is what it's coming down to. (Not directed at you @SL&AM but in general). Stop whiny and griping. If we don't stand up for the kids....who will? We're supposed to protect our kids, not put them in harms way? What will it take? Now is the time to change the face of cheer and show what it's about. If we don't take it serious enough we sure as heck have no right expecting anybody else to.

A movement can be created. If there can be an outcry of the poaching death of a Cecil the Lion, don't our children desire more?

 

[Beans100]

Put up or shut up is what it's coming down to. (Not directed at you @SL&AM but in general). Stop whiny and griping. If we don't stand up for the kids....who will? We're supposed to protect our kids, not put them in harms way? What will it take? Now is the time to change the face of cheer and show what it's about. If we don't take it serious enough we sure as heck have no right expecting anybody else to.

A movement can be created. If there can be an outcry of the poaching death of a Cecil the Lion, don't our children desire more?

It's going to take a lot of brave souls and a few good lawyers. I don't think anyone wants to be one to challenge USASF because that could lead to a ruined reputation and the end of those cheer gyms. It would have to be someone completely separated from cheer to take them on. But, all-star cheer isn't big enough yet to have those people.

 

[MissCongeniality]

It's going to take a lot of brave souls and a few good lawyers. I don't think anyone wants to be one to challenge USASF because that could lead to a ruined reputation and the end of those cheer gyms. It would have to be someone completely separated from cheer to take them on. But, all-star cheer isn't big enough yet to have those people.

And, in this situation, you are also taking on the Mouse since they will not want anything tainting their name. So you have to find those who will speak on camera (who were there), a reporter who isn't lazy (because this is going to take actual work vs rewriting a press release and adding video) a station that will even allow this piece to air (see above...the mouse has far reaching influence and ownership) and there's gonna be the issue of video from worlds and the fact that no "blood was shed". I've had stories tamer than this get knocked out for fear of upsetting an advertiser.

 

[5-6-7-8]

The ribbon itself cannot be wider than three inches. I don't recall about rules on how large the bow can be.

Yeah that's right (sorry if I wasn't clear.) The actual ribbon width is supposed to be 3" or smaller. No guideline on the overall size of the bow (that I know of.)

 

[CookieMomster]

So you have to be a big gym to advocate for child human rights? The UN has a Convention on the Rights of a Child. This isn't a gym issue, this is a basic human rights issue. If we don't value and protect vulnerable children, who will? I'm not saying contact media per say, but I am suggesting a social media movement can be achieved. If an NFL football player's son winning Worlds can make ripples, so can this. I have serious concerns, and fear a worse case scenario is only a matter of time.

Who is willing to have it be their child, and sacrifice them?

Do we really need any more broken bones or paralysis or death? A sport with a high injury rate doesn't need any help for this to happen.

I get that nobody wants to bite the hand that feeds them, and fears retaliation, but at what cost? Is it really worth it? You get 1 life to live and we need to protect it. Turning a blind eye because getting black balled is ridiculous. I'd rather risk that then see a child seriously harmed. What's it going to take?

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