All-Star Draft Release Of The Universal Scoresheet

[Fiercecheermom]

Hate comparative scoring too. Worlds was a prime example this year. Supposedly if a team hit a clean routine, they would be rewarded for it. Definitely did not happen..."popular gyms" scoring much higher than they ever should have and scores so much farther apart for no apparent reason/justification. I am also concerned with the phrase in pyramids/stunting "almost drop/fall but are saved.....'excessive moving'....". Those are most certainly "subjective" terms and we have all seen where, in the same competition/same division, one team got the deduction and another did not. If we are going to deduct for this stuff, then it needs to be "all or nothing" . Every bobble, if noticeable at any level, gets a deduction. If the stunt falls/dismounts early, larger deduction. Incomplete twisting on cradles is certainly easier to catch vs tumbling, but again it needs to be the same for all teams. Incomplete twisting is a safety issue so I really like this one!

 

[SparkleSpankies]

I am going to give my opinion of comparative scoring.

Ideally a judge should be smart enough and also writing down and taking notes on what squads do. At the end of the day, while the skills are not worth points for a code of points, you still need to be able to identify what skills each level should have to be maxed or high range. There are grids for this. It is so compulsory already, so I don't think the comparison is necessarily in difficulty (although opinions do range there), I really think the comparison comes out in execution. HOWEVER at the end of the day, you know after watching 5 senior 3 teams who should be on top (before deductions), so that is where the comparison comes in, at the end of the day, that 1 more stunt sequence or those 3 groups who did single base may be the difference.

 

[Ashley]

Comparative wide range scoring causes problems for grand champs/level champs and bids

That's an excellent point. They don't do grand champs at Worlds for this reason. You can't compare across divisions. Not the end of the world if they don't do level or grand champs, but it's definitely a problem for bids.

 

[Official OWECheer]

Scoresheet doesn't matter if judges continue to suck.


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Could a difference in training lead to a difference in scoring?

 

[King]

Comparative wide range scoring causes problems for grand champs/level champs and bids

Very much so. Every time we go back to comparative we then go back to rubric. I don't understand swimming upstream.

The good news is if there is ONE scoresheet there is ONE place that needs fixing.

 

[quitthedrama]

Comparative scoring works well within smaller groups - i.e. Finals at Worlds. There is absolutely no way you can use comparative scoring effectively in prelims or semi-finals. I wouldn't expect any judge to be able compare a team that competed at 10:00 am with a team that competed 6 hours later.

Lots of good comments! I agree with the range of high difficulty being too big and the fact the scoresheet means nothing if the judges are not qualified.

 

[Helen uk uni cheer]

http://www.futurecheer.net/Level 2 Grid-1.pdf

This is the link to the scoring grid for level 2 at future cheer. I really like it as they have one for each level and you know how to max out the score sheet without too much subjectivity

 

[yojaehs]

Could a difference in training lead to a difference in scoring?

The current requirements to being a judge are about the equivalent of coloring inside lines of a Disney Kingdom menu.


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[Official OWECheer]

The current requirements to being a judge are about the equivalent of coloring inside lines of a Disney Kingdom menu.


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Well then, that's the problem! I've heard wonderful things about how well paid and trained gymnastics judges are, I think cheer should take note.

 

[uhhlyssa01]

Very much so. Every time we go back to comparative we then go back to rubric. I don't understand swimming upstream.

The good news is if there is ONE scoresheet there is ONE place that needs fixing.

And the Universal scoresheet does not have a rubric. Comparative scoring I don't mind, but comparative scoring without a rubric? Problem.

 

[SarahS]

http://www.futurecheer.net/Level 2 Grid-1.pdf

This is the link to the scoring grid for level 2 at future cheer. I really like it as they have one for each level and you know how to max out the score sheet without too much subjectivity

There is a comparative scoring statement on that grid:
"Please note that scores may vary from event to event based on what other teams are doing at any given event in the same division. This is why ranges are used"

There is nothing you can do to guarantee that you truly "max out" - you can only ensure that you're in the high range.

 

[Keep_Believing]

In comparative scoring are you scored after all of your competitiors have finished? Scored at the very end? How does this effect teams that compete out of order? One time we competed about 8 am (do to majority of team having HS cheer comp. in different city) and all of our comp. started around 7:20 pm?

 

[Ashley]

In comparative scoring are you scored after all of your competitiors have finished? Scored at the very end? How does this effect teams that compete out of order? One time we competed about 8 am (do to majority of team having HS cheer comp. in different city) and all of our comp. started around 7:20 pm?

It's done like this at worlds and there's some level of comparative scoring at nearly every event. The first team goes and are given a score, with wiggle room above and below for later teams. Then the next team goes and gets a higher or lower score depending on if they're better or not. And so on. It's why you can't compare scores across competitions. Sometimes scores scew high, sometimes low.

 

[King]

It's done like this at worlds and there's some level of comparative scoring at nearly every event. The first team goes and are given a score, with wiggle room above and below for later teams. Then the next team goes and gets a higher or lower score depending on if they're better or not. And so on. It's why you can't compare scores across competitions. Sometimes scores scew high, sometimes low.

So you are competing against the competition so what you are doing compared to what they are doing is going to become more relevant again. Get ready for secret videos!

 

[Keep_Believing]

So you are competing against the competition so what you are doing compared to what they are doing is going to become more relevant again. Get ready for secret videos!

With cheer live and live streams it is hard to keep routines secret. With this kind of scoring will there be benefits to going last?